Carry in a grocery store that sells alcohol???

[stvbrx]

About 2 weeks ago, I was entering a Fiesta grocery store in Houston when I noticed a sign stating it was a crime to conceal a handgun in a location that sells alcohol or where alcohol is consumed and carries a fine up to $10k.
I wasn't aware of this law, but returned to my car and disarmed...just to be safe.

I saw the same sign last night while going into an Olive Garden.
There was no 51% sign posted.

I am under the impression these posting are from outdated signs.
Can anyone verify my belief that these are not valid?

thanks,
StvBrx

[longtooth]

It must have a valid 30-06 sign posted.

If not you are good to go.

[shortysboy09]

Did those signs have any texts that said "unlicensed possesion of a firearm" ?

If that's the case then your CHL makes you in " licensed possesion of a firearm " therefore that sign means nothing to you.

Also, it's perfectly legal to carry in a store that sells alcohol for off-site consumption. You could legal carry into a liquor store if you wanted.

But if alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises then you would need to disarm. That is assuming they collect 51% of their sales from alcohol.

Btw, Welcome to the Texas CHL forum! There's an endless amount of information here to answer most question you may have. If you can't find the answer don't hesitate to ask. We will be happy to help.

[psehorne]

If an establishment obtains 51% or more of their income from the sale of alcohol for on site consumption they may have a 51% license; they may not. You would need to view the license certificate which should be posted in a conspicuous place. If it says Sign = RED then it is a 51% establishment according to the TABC. If it says Sign = BLUE then it is not. If they are not a 51% establishment, they could still post a legitimate 30.06 sign.

[stvbrx]

@shortys....I don't recall seeing "unlicensed" listed.
I guess I'll have to go buy some more beer tonight to verify.

thanks for the quick replies!

[joe817]

We have that "unlicensed possession of a firearm is prohibited" on most grocery stores and convenience stores here in Arlington. As I'm licensed I read it to mean "CHL holders welcome". {but that's MY interpretation}

[shortysboy09]

@shortys....I don't recall seeing "unlicensed" listed.
I guess I'll have to go buy some more beer tonight to verify.

thanks for the quick replies!

If possible try and snap a picture of it for us.

[shortysboy09]

We have that "unlicensed possession of a firearm is prohibited" on most grocery stores and convenience stores here in Arlington. As I'm licensed I read it to mean "CHL holders welcome". {but that's MY interpretation}

I would say that's a very safe assumption.

[Keith B]

What you more than likely saw was this sign:



This sign is required at any location that sells alcohol for on or off-premise consumption and makes less that 51% of its revenue from the alcohol sales. It is OK to carry past as long as they don't have a 30.06 sign posted also.

[stvbrx]

Keith,

I believe that's the sign!
thanks for the info to all!

[shortysboy09]

Glad we could help out. I think you did the right thing by dis-arming when you weren't sure if you were allowed to carry or not. Next time you will know your'e in the clear. That "unlicensed" part is what clears you of any problems.

[Purplehood]

HEB and Olive Garden are valid for carry (unless they get crazy and post a 30.06 sign).

[RPB]

HEB and Olive Garden are valid for carry (unless they get crazy and post a 30.06 sign).

Like the Olive Garden in Lubbock may have

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[wgoforth]

Like the op, here around Brownwood, there are numerous places that have some weird "No unlicensed or LICENSED firearms on the premises. Carrying constitutes a felony with 10 years and/or $10,000 fine." These are not 51% establishments. I just smile and keep going. It does make me wonder who or what it was that distributed all of these at some point though.

[Keith B]

Like the op, here around Brownwood, there are numerous places that have some weird "No unlicensed or LICENSED firearms on the premises. Carrying constitutes a felony with 10 years and/or $10,000 fine." These are not 51% establishments. I just smile and keep going. It does make me wonder who or what it was that distributed all of these at some point though.

If the location sells alcohol AT ALL, then by law they must post one of two signs; either the sign above if they make under 51% of their revenue from alcohol sales, or a 51% sign if more that 51% of their revenue from alcohol.

You will see WAY more of the unlicensed signs since the majority of the locations sell other things to gain the majority of their revenue from, but they still have to post a sign per the TABC laws.