Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

[barres]

Are we required to abide by the 30.05 sign?
I don't remember hearing about a 30.05 sign, just the 30.06.

Technically, yes, but the 30.05 sign has an automatic defense to prosecution for a CHL, so it doesn't apply to you (or won't soon).

[Aric]

I just got back from Dallas and the 6th Story Museum downtown is posted, As is the front door to the building. The question is that the museum is a private museum but the building is owned by Dallas County. So would that make the posting of a 30.06 sign (By the way its not a legal sign, it looks like the demo sign posted on the DPS website so its the size of a letter paper) not enforceable, but you have to go through a metal detector and therfore you would be outed, then could they tell you to leave and would that be sufficient notice to Criminal Trespass on someone if they didn't.

[waffenmacht]

Aric, my experiences at the Ft Worth Zoo are very similar. The Zoo is posted with a correct 30.06, but the zoo is public property, owned by the city. When I called the Zoo on this matter, they stated that since some students frequent there, the Zoo is actually a school! Well, I informed them that a school is already off limits for a CHL holder, and that a 30.06 sign is not required there. They seemed to be lost, and clearly don't understand what they are or what a 30.06 is for. Chas, Txinvestigator.... In your opinion, am I clear to carry there? I contacted the TSRA on this matter, and while they agreed the signs were unenforceable, they didn't seem interested in contacting the zoo.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Chas, Txinvestigator.... In your opinion, am I clear to carry there? I contacted the TSRA on this matter, and while they agreed the signs were unenforceable, they didn't seem interested in contacting the zoo.

I hate to give legal advice on this one because an over zealous prosecutor could give you a problem. I will say this: If I go to that zoo, I will carry there without any hesitation. BTW, in 2007, look for the "premises" clarification I mentioned in another post.

Chas.

[Rugrash]

Today I had to register a couple of vehicles at the Galveston Tax Office which shares a building with the local courts. The entire front of the building is fenced off for construction, so I entered thru the rear entrance (I had already disarmed in the car). At this rear entrance they had the "no guns" buster sign but the front entrance, that I mentioned earlier, had a 30.06 sign. This sign was actually black adhesive letters on clear glass in both English and Spanish that looked to be the correct size. However, IMHO it doesn't contrast very well on clear glass. There was also a GC Sheriff's deputy at a desk near the entrance doing more info desk stuff and talking on his mobile phone....but I felt safe

So to make a long story short I was able to take care of my business and I actually got to see my 2nd 30.06 sign (the other was at the entrance to the Reliant Center's Gun Show back in May).

Thanks!

ps. This is my first post here!

[bluelineman]

I believe Congressman Ralph Hall, Texas-4th (R-Rockwall), might be interested in this. Even though this is a state and local matter and he's a U.S. Congressman, he's a hard-core supporter of free men bearing arms. I'm working with him on some workplace issues, so I don't want to use up all my political capital, especially for an issue 170 miles away.

But for those of you in the area, you might drop him a line.

Kevin

I emailed him asking for his support on the concealed carry reciprocity bill (basically other states recognize your CHL like they do your drivers license) & he was not only a supporter but also a co-sponser of the bill. Two thumbs up for Rep Ralph Hall.

[Greybeard]

Quote (from last year): "went into the Denton Central Appraisal District office today"

Yep, it was still there when I was there a couple of weeks ago. It starts out "correctly" but looked like they added some extra verbiage of their own at the end.

Kinda like some of the appraisers think that 2 + 2 = 5, just because they say so. In my not-so-humble opinion, the DCAD is dirty at the top and needs to be taken down a few notches, the 30.06 signage included.

[cyphur]

EECU in Burleson off Alsbury. Posted what I think to be the correct language however it is possibly less than an inch tall(didn't quite have a ruler to measure, lol) as well as only posted in white, and only in English. It is on the second entrance doorway on the glass, as stickers.

[Commander]

I returned to Presbyterian Hospital of Greenville today to visit my mother again. I paid particular attention to their signs. They are posted on the glass of the front doors. "State Law prohibits Handguns on these premises"; below that "No Handguns"; below that the ghostbusters sign. Its all repeated in Spanish.

To my understanding these are not 30.06 compliant, so I carried. Was I wrong?

[KBCraig]

I returned to Presbyterian Hospital of Greenville today to visit my mother again. I paid particular attention to their signs. They are posted on the glass of the front doors. "State Law prohibits Handguns on these premises"; below that "No Handguns"; below that the ghostbusters sign. Its all repeated in Spanish.

To my understanding these are not 30.06 compliant, so I carried. Was I wrong?

If that's the entire wording (i.e., they didn't include the statutory 30.06 language), then yes: they were not compliant, and you were not in violation to carry there.

I'll leave aside all arguments about "school activities", and the possible presence of MD residents or nursing students.

Kevin

[Commander]

Kevin,

To complicate matters more, Presbyterian Hospital of Greenville is unique in the Presybterian system in that they don't own the hospital. It is an affilliate of the Presbyterian system. The Hospital is actually owned by the Hunt County Memorial Hospital District and is funded by Hunt County. For example when construction is done there is a county wide bond election to authorize the funding.


So, does that mean they can't post 30.06 signs under 30.06 (e)as it is publicly owned property?

[Kalrog]

So, does that mean they can't post 30.06 signs under 30.06 (e)as it is publicly owned property?

I would argue yes. And I in fact found the same thing with the Seton / Brackenridge chain in Austin. CHoA is city owned and not posted (but run by Seton who does post their hospitals).

[kauboy]

EECU in Burleson off Alsbury. Posted what I think to be the correct language however it is possibly less than an inch tall(didn't quite have a ruler to measure, lol) as well as only posted in white, and only in English. It is on the second entrance doorway on the glass, as stickers.

Well this used to be my wife's Credit Union. I'm even more happy now that she switched to my bank.
Also, if they didn't include the spanish translation with this sign, then it is not compliant and can be ignored. The law is very clear, and if they can't follow it, thats their mistake.

[glockmav]

Ennis city hall and library

[Commander]

Unless there is a court in the city hall, the 30.06 signs are invalid. Governmental entities cannot post 30.06 signs on government owned/leased property.