ABC 20/20 "Guns in America"

[kd5zex]

In addition to letting them know how easy it is to make bombs and poison gas from household chemicals

When the subject of .50s come in to play, I thoroughly enjoy the look on the antis faces after explaining how the Barret .50 BMG rifle came into existence. Most antis or otherwise naive believe it was the product of a clandestine military experiment or something to that effect. My wording changes depending on how many times they have called me a backwards redneck but I then explain a photographer designed and built it in his garage.

[UpTheIrons]

When the subject of .50s come in to play, I thoroughly enjoy the look on the antis faces after explaining how the Barret .50 BMG rifle came into existence. Most antis or otherwise naive believe it was the product of a clandestine military experiment or something to that effect. My wording changes depending on how many times they have called me a backwards redneck but I then explain a photographer designed and built it in his garage.

Your statement sent me digging. I knew Barrett wasn't an armorer, but I didn't know the whole story. Also, look what I found coming out of the Violence Policy Center, dated around February of this year: http://www.vpc.org/snipercrime.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They try to refute the NRA's claim that the .50 BMG has not been used often in crime. Look at their list and tell me how many times the firearm was actually used. I think I must be reading it wrong if this weapon is such a dangerous item. They list 32 offenses from August of 1989 to February of 2009, and I can only come up with 6 times the .50 was actually fired in the commission of a crime. One was in an assassination in Mexico, and another was some idiot firing AP incendiary rounds into a stump that started a wildfire. The other four (including the Branch Davidians in Waco) were actual homocides and homocide attempts made on US citizens.

FOUR instances in TWENTY YEARS. Some weapon of choice, huh?

Granted, the rifle was part of a 'crime' many times, in that said rifle was found in the home of someone who was arrested, or trying to sell it, but you know what they're really trying to scream -- "BLOOD IN THE STREETS!!!"

[sparky]

I plan to watch the show so that I I can try and understand why the sheep get so upset when some one goes off the deep end and kill a large amount of people.
If people understand why, then maybe we can get more people to understand that we need to protect our families from this type of dangers and our positions on gun control will be heard.

[AEA]

Just a reminder.........

This starts in 40 minutes (9pm Central).

[pbwalker]

[AEA]

I was not impressed.........

Very one sided and staged for the benefit of stupid anti's and their "feel good" concepts.

You just can't fix stupid.

[Skiprr]

Well, that pretty much ruined my Good Friday.

I found particularly distasteful that Sawyer opened the hour by essentially stating how objective the report would be, and how they were in no way saying they supported anything contrary to the Second Amendment. Then, of course, the subsequent 59 minutes were blatantly biased, totally subjective, and a Brady Bunch dream.

[smyrna]

Caught the tail end of this show...what a piece of bunk.

Had the kid in south Florida who wants to save his neighborhood that is punk, gang and drug infested. Everybody's got a gun, it's horrible, blah, blah, blah. Well here's a nugget of wisdom for ya' kid...if you took all the guns away, your neighborhood would still be punk, gang and drug infested. Have you and your family ever thought about MOVING! The problem with your neighborhood is with the clientele not guns.

Saw the dude they gave $5k to at the gunshow. Oh wow, look how easy that was, I bought guns and brought them to my car. See ABC...here they are and it was easy. THere's something wrong about it being that easy! That's just wrong! Give me a break! Even the ATF dude said NO laws were broken. But I forgot we are dealing with a socialist mindset that knows what's best for us.

Now this next part, I actually dug a little minus ABC's lame commentary. The law enforcement students in the lecture hall scenario had to deal with a shooter who bursts in unannounced. They fired wax bullets or paintballs or something at each other. Most of the LEO students were "shot" even if they were able to return a volley and hit the assailant. Now I'm not saying I would have faired any better, but it did make me think of something someone told me one time-MOVE = Motionless Objects Ventilate Easily.

[Oldgringo]

Well, that pretty much ruined my Good Friday.

I found particularly distasteful that Sawyer opened the hour by essentially stating how objective the report would be, and how they were in no way saying they supported anything contrary to the Second Amendment. Then, of course, the subsequent 59 minutes were blatantly biased, totally subjective, and a Brady Bunch dream.

You expected something else? Mrs. Oldgringo and I watched a train ride across America DVD amd it made us want to get in the RV and go somewhere. Anywhere, as long as it's away from the "madding crowd".

[atxgun]

I too just caught the tail end of it. Hope to watch the full thing if it gets online. The last 15 minutes I did see were completely anti. "What did we do with all the guns we bought? Turned them into the police of course!"

The coverage at the end about shooting bystanders and friends infuriated me. Of course that's a danger! Everyone carrying knows this and takes this into account. They claimed "police train" as if to imply civilians that own firearms do not maintain a proficiency at the range.

I really was hoping I might have missed some coverage of the daily success stories of self defense that never make it to national media, but from what I've read here I guess they did not.

The conspiracy theorist in me has to wonder what outside pressure or encouragement was put in place to create and air this "balanced" report.

[flynbenny]

I watched the whole thing, and have some questions. Did anyone else pick up on this too? That active shooter scenario they ran, each time the badguy(s) was/were trained police firearm instructors! Talk about unfair. Somehow i think that most of us on this board have much better training and skills than the Eric Klebold's, Seung-Hui Cho's and Robert Hawkins' of the world. Not one single positive gun story. A lady in Colorado Springs name Jeanne Assam stopped the rampage of one of these cowards. Why couldn't they have interviewed her? Or any one of the THOUSANDS of Americans who have protected themselves and the public with their lawfully owned weapons? If this doesn't prove the bias in the media, I don't know what does. Gives yet another layer of credence to Maha Rushie's term for the liberal media: the drive bys

[sss]

I watched the whole thing, and have some questions. Did anyone else pick up on this too? That active shooter scenario they ran, each time the badguy(s) was/were trained police firearm instructors! Talk about unfair. Somehow i think that most of us on this board have much better training and skills than the Eric Klebold's, Seung-Hui Cho's and Robert Hawkins' of the world.

I noticed that. I also noticed that, in the active shooter scenario, the attacker entered the room, shot the "teacher", and then immediately opened fire on the student with a concealed pistol. Why would a gunman come right out and target one person after shooting the teacher?

Did you guys notice the long shirts, too? I've never seen shirts that long... no wonder they couldn't get their pistols out in time.

[NuBer92]

I wish they would come to Texas to see how we take care of business. I can understand the frustrations of people killed by guns, my borther was shot by a punk many years ago(still alive) , and you know what after that, my dad took every one of my 5 brothers and sisters and we learned how to shoot .357, .45, and his .30-30. The solution is responsible gun education, Know what it does how it works and when to use it.

When they showed the guy with the airsoft i nearly cursed outloud. I mean honestly, really?? that was the best they could do?? What about the other guy with "experience", he tripped up on his holster, Everyone knows you have to be deliberate and fast when drawing the paddle type holsters. I am in agreement with everyone here totally biased and infuriating.

Give me 5k to buy guns and Im goin to my safe when we are done

[jeeperbryan]

What a waste of my time. Completely biased. I love how they mentioned having a cell phone in the shooter scenario was a good tool however they did not time anyone pulling their cell phone out and calling 911. Seriously, I am so mad I watched.

[LaUser]

I watched the whole thing, and have some questions. Did anyone else pick up on this too? That active shooter scenario they ran, each time the badguy(s) was/were trained police firearm instructors! Talk about unfair. Somehow i think that most of us on this board have much better training and skills than the Eric Klebold's, Seung-Hui Cho's and Robert Hawkins' of the world. Not one single positive gun story. A lady in Colorado Springs name Jeanne Assam stopped the rampage of one of these cowards. Why couldn't they have interviewed her? Or any one of the THOUSANDS of Americans who have protected themselves and the public with their lawfully owned weapons? If this doesn't prove the bias in the media, I don't know what does. Gives yet another layer of credence to Maha Rushie's term for the liberal media: the drive bys

I saw the whole thing. The active shooter scenario pretty much summed up an ambush type scenario, except the class was expecting it because the all suited up with protective gear. My experience in a real world ambush there is no warning at all. Some people flee, some duck for cover, and some screw up making themselves a target. Running away or taking cover, armed or not is the best thing in my experience. It gave me time to draw and very quickly plan my move, if any. Standing up and trying to draw, like "High Noon" is unrealistic Hollywood bull. It is much harder to hit a moving target. I guess the carrying participants watch too much TV or play too many video games.

Rule #1, self preservation.

The part about the young boy in Florida, the pistols in the furniture in the garage, and the children accidentally shooting each other was made to scare people. It worked on most viewers.

The part about buying face to face at the gun show was designed to give gun shows a bad name. Buying face to face has nothing to do with gun shows. The ex-ATF agent did state that no laws were violated. Neither seller nor buyer did anything illegal.

I did not expect it to be pro gun. I was not disappointed.