Armed robbery of 40-50 people

[davlanders]

I know that people like the saying "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away", but in this situation with all the above risks noted, I think the best solution would be to open your cell phone under the table and dial 911 as soon as you realize something is up. With out being noticed, try to announce your location and that the restaurant is being robbed. If they are robbing each table individually, they will certainly still be at it by the time the police get there if it's in a decent sized city and anywhere near the police station. There will likely be many many people in the restaurant doing this all at the same time. They won't notice all of them doing it, so couldn't possibly stop everyone from calling. This is of course assuming that they haven't started shooting.

[boomerang]

In all these internet scenarios, nobody ever wants to address how other CHL holders know your the good guy. Heck...everything seemed good until the guy with the gun started shooting at someone, so i took the nut job out. Only a nut would start firing a gun in a crowded restaurant or store...right? I'm not saying this to call anyone here nutty, I am simply wondering what radar signal some of you fellers plan to send so I know your a good guy, especially if you plan to fire the first shots of the night?

Good to see you're reconsidering your plan to shoot me in the back while I make my escape.

Maybe you should follow my lead and bug out most riki tik.

[03Lightningrocks]

In all these internet scenarios, nobody ever wants to address how other CHL holders know your the good guy. Heck...everything seemed good until the guy with the gun started shooting at someone, so i took the nut job out. Only a nut would start firing a gun in a crowded restaurant or store...right? I'm not saying this to call anyone here nutty, I am simply wondering what radar signal some of you fellers plan to send so I know your a good guy, especially if you plan to fire the first shots of the night?

Good to see you're reconsidering your plan to shoot me in the back while I make my escape.

Maybe you should follow my lead and bug out most riki tik.

[KD5NRH]

Crowded restaurant...so maybe they won't notice you. Maybe i would not notice them,

If your situational awareness is that bad, you'll still be asking what the loud noises were when the cops are finishing up the investigation.

[Liberty]

Crowded restaurant...so maybe they won't notice you. Maybe i would not notice them,

If your situational awareness is that bad, you'll still be asking what the loud noises were when the cops are finishing up the investigation.

Lots of restaurants have different angles and rooms where one couldn't see the whole scenario breaking loose.

[03Lightningrocks]

Crowded restaurant...so maybe they won't notice you. Maybe i would not notice them,

If your situational awareness is that bad, you'll still be asking what the loud noises were when the cops are finishing up the investigation.

Insult me all you want...it's the internet so I can't smack ya for it, but facts are, it would be real easy for me to see you firing a gun and not see two guys quietly robbing folks one by one. You need to be aware that when you decide to draw your pistol and play batman, nobody around you knows if your good or bad. They just see a guy pulling a gun and shooting. By the way...a police officer could very easily only see your part in it also. He will also put you down.

[fredtubbs]

Crowded restaurant...so maybe they won't notice you. Maybe i would not notice them, but yet i see you pull a gun and point it across the restaurant. You pull the trigger. Now I see you as a threat so I pull my gun and blast you. Yes....it could happen.

In all these internet scenarios, nobody ever wants to address how other CHL holders know your the good guy. Heck...everything seemed good until the guy with the gun started shooting at someone, so i took the nut job out. Only a nut would start firing a gun in a crowded restaurant or store...right? I'm not saying this to call anyone here nutty, I am simply wondering what radar signal some of you fellers plan to send so I know your a good guy, especially if you plan to fire the first shots of the night?

I think you make an excellent point about a 3rd party (other CHL or police just arriving) now considering you a BG. I guess, in the end, that's an important detail. But I also know if I have to draw and shoot I'm not going to announce that I am a CHL or anything like that. I guess we have to remember, if the restaurant you are in gets robbed and someone stands up from a table and shoots a bad guy, don't shoot the good guy.

[Fangs]

Hopefully CHLer #2 would take a second to see where CHLer #1 was shooting at and notice guys wearing ski masks / bandanas with guns / bags... Is there any actual case of a CHLer being shot by an off-duty LEO or other CHLer in the above mentioned scenario?

[mr.72]

Yes I think this is a major risk. Person with gun = BG for most people. One way or the other, once you draw, you become a target. Maybe you are a target of the BG, maybe you are a target of another CHL holder, maybe a target of the police or armed security in the place.

[Captain Matt]

A lot of time we think about how to deal with criminals but it's also good to think about how to deal with bystanders, 911, witnesses, cops, etc.

[smyrna]

I've been following this thread and it's interesting to see all the different responses to the scenario. Truth is, who knows exactly what you would do until you're there, until then it's all speculation. I can see plausibility in most all the responses, however, I think a critical piece to think about too is what will give you the best opportunity to use your weapon if that's the choice you make. davlanders brings up a plausible response that actually crossed my mind.

I know that people like the saying "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away", but in this situation with all the above risks noted, I think the best solution would be to open your cell phone under the table and dial 911 as soon as you realize something is up. With out being noticed, try to announce your location and that the restaurant is being robbed. If they are robbing each table individually, they will certainly still be at it by the time the police get there if it's in a decent sized city and anywhere near the police station. There will likely be many many people in the restaurant doing this all at the same time. They won't notice all of them doing it, so couldn't possibly stop everyone from calling. This is of course assuming that they haven't started shooting.

Although plausible, I think this could be dicey especially if it is realized what you are doing...Almost an invitation to get "capped". I say dial 911, toss the phone out of sight and hope the GPS does its thing.

Also of consideration, if these guys are taking wallets, how much risk will you be at handing over your wallet with a CHL in it? Could be another invitation to get shot. What if the guys frisk you and find your "conflict resolution tool"? Could be a death warrant for you. I think totality of the situation would determine what I would do. What it all boils down to is this...Do the actions of these guys lead me to believe that I won't be discovered as a CHL holder? Do I trust that if I comply with their demands that I will be safe? Do I have a means of escape without being discovered? The more of these questions that I answer "No" to, the more likely I am to draw.

[03Lightningrocks]

I'm not doing anything until the robber comes to my table. Then I have an easy, clear shot. Hopefully nobody close to me that sees what's going on will try to shoot me. . .

Just scream out, "Oh Lowdy....please don't shoot me, I'm a good guy"..... just after you fire and I will recognize that as a secret code.

[03Lightningrocks]

Funny story...I took my daughter to dinner the other night. Sitting there I asked her, "so how many folks in here besides me look like they are packing heat?". She looks around and immediately points out three fellers. All had the ole shirt over the shirt thing going on and all looked like they just got in from Hawaii...except for one. She gives the two multi-colored shirt guys a maybe and calls the third guy a definite. I couldn't see the third guy because he was behind me but when asked why he was a definite she replied, "his vest says NRA on the back of it and he is wearing a gimme cap"...LOL. Maybe we should wear special badges or something.

[Hos]

They did not announce themselves since people didn't know what was happening. So if possible, I'd casually walk to the bathroom. From there call 911. If they follow me then I'll take them on in my stall turned bunker with little fear of innocents being hit with crossfire. (unless some poor soul's already in there).

Good discussion!

Wonder if BG's would try to do this at a BBQ joint as opposed to a fancy Asian restaurant?

[boomerang]

Wonder if BG's would try to do this at a BBQ joint as opposed to a fancy Asian restaurant?

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