Taco Cabana revisited

[bdickens]

That's why I don't worry too much about it.

The Legislature intends for CHLs to be able to carry most everywhere (with a few notable exceptions). In a capitulation to the "property rights" bellyaching of the business community, they put a mechanism in place to allow them to exclude CC from their "private property." Because of their aforementioned intent, they made sure that certain very specific measures have to be taken to do so.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to be some kind of Second Amendment Thought Police trying to ascertain someone's position on gun rights and CHL. I will carry anywhere and everywhere it is legal for me to do so. In my opinion, If someone has a non-compliant sign up and I thumb my nose at it, I've won because I can legally carry there despite their wishes.

[mr.72]

Byron I agree with your position 100%.

And by the way, we can't really accurately ascertain what they are thinking anyway. Largely I think this is a cultural thing. How many of us have a hard time even educating our own anti-gun family members? The usefulness of guns just doesn't make sense to some people, and some of those people are business owners or corporate officers making misguided "safety" policy regarding guns on their property.

It doesn't necessarily follow that they are anti-gun, or trampling our rights, or oppose our right to defend ourselves. It is most likely that they think they are protecting their customers, and they are just misinformed or misguided. Of course we think we know better. I know we think we can change their minds through a boycott but even if 100% of the CHL holders in TX initiated a total boycott on Taco Cabana, I bet it would amount to less than a 1% reduction in their sales, which might be noticeable but certainly not enough to force them to change their policy.

[DoubleJ]

well maybe you guys should stop using the internet then.

I guarantee you that in using the internet, you are using equipment built by the company I work for, and they definitely and unequivocally restrict my right to use a gun for self defense while on their property, and this applies to customers, visitors and employees alike.

weren't you the one who spoke of "balance?"

[mr.72]

Yep, I don't agree with the boycott idea.

I do agree that if there is a company that openly and aggressively supports anti-gun policies, or whatever other thing is against your ideals, you have every cause to boycott that company. But with Taco Cabana we have a local outlet of a national restaurant chain passively putting up a sign that carries no legal weight due to misguided corporate policy enacted from a company based in a state where concealed carry is so unlikely as to be nearly impossible. Now if Taco Cabana begins to print on your reciept, "25% of all of our profits are donated to the Brady Campaign" then by all means, boycott.

It's completely impractical to boycott every outfit that doesn't suit your political or personal ideals. I would like to not pay sales tax in the city of Austin because I don't support them providing health benefits for unmarried domestic partners of city employees with my tax money. However, is that even remotely practical for someone who lives less than 3 miles from the Austin city limit? I doubt it. That's just one example.

Or do you guys boycott gun shows with 30.06 signs?

How about if you get a traffic ticket that is not your fault, do you just suck it up and pay the ticket, since you can't carry into the court house to fight it? Or do you refuse to pay it because you don't want to support your municipality which enforces the courtroom carry restriction? Do you refuse to pay your property taxes since the state runs schools that are no-gun zones? Where does it end?

IMHO for most people I have talked to about the Taco Cabana style CHL boycotts, it ends once it is remotely inconvenient. They say "hey I am not going to eat at Taco Cabana because they don't allow me to carry my gun in, by Jove! And I don't like their food anyway!". But what if it was HEB? Do you not buy groceries "and I don't like to eat anyway!"?

BTW I looked in my local Taco Cabana. They have a sign that says something very much like: "Notice: The possession of a weapon on these premises is prohibited". It's on a cork board inside the building near the register along with their liquor license and health dept. certificate and all that jazz. Not even remotely enforceable. I walked right in with my gun in my belt to read the sign :) If I had been hungry, I would have ordered a chicken fajita cabana bowl.

[DoubleJ]

You're new, so I'll give you a pass on this one.
go look up Taco Cabana in the search engine, read all 150MILLION threads on the subject, including the ones with letters, emails, and other communicae from on high, that tell the beliefs, opinions, and desires of the "San Antonio" based food chain (that's legally owned by a group in New York).
happy reading and enjoy.

anyone ever eat at a Rosa's? now THAT is a good drive through taco shack.

[DoubleJ]

Or do you guys boycott gun shows with 30.06 signs?

I carry guns into gun shows all the time! you just gotta have the guy zip tie it at the door. don't say nuthin' bout what you do when you leave.

[mr.72]

well in the gun show going past the 30.06 sign, then un-zip-tying your gun and reloading, concealing it, you are committing criminal trespass.

Yeah I have read the threads about Taco Cabana. I don't know if you were talking to me DoubleJ. But I think this forum has a lot of newcomers and quick turnover, does it not?

Anyway I thought this thread was about some TC stores removing the 30.06 signs?

I know my TC used to have the 8.5x11 sort-of-30.06 sign and it now has the ambiguous and clearly unenforceable sign. Something changed!

[WildBill]

Drove by the Taco Cabana in Kemah. I didn't see any anti-gun signs.

[DoubleJ]

well in the gun show going past the 30.06 sign, then un-zip-tying your gun and reloading, concealing it, you are committing criminal trespass.

Yeah I have read the threads about Taco Cabana. I don't know if you were talking to me DoubleJ. But I think this forum has a lot of newcomers and quick turnover, does it not?

Anyway I thought this thread was about some TC stores removing the 30.06 signs?

I know my TC used to have the 8.5x11 sort-of-30.06 sign and it now has the ambiguous and clearly unenforceable sign. Something changed!

I never said anything about committing a crime. I said after you leave.

I'm saying that TC has a policy AGAINST CHL holders, so, as a CHL Holder, I prefer to take my money to FireHouse Subs, or Souper Salad, or Raising Cane's, or....

I have yet to see any evidence that TC has removed their signs with the purpose of including CHL Holders in their clientele. someone post me an email, fax, letter, youtube from their head honcho, and then I will say, game on.

I do, however, miss their Bean & Cheese tacos. those little tortillas are tastey......

[srothstein]

I do agree that if there is a company that openly and aggressively supports anti-gun policies, or whatever other thing is against your ideals, you have every cause to boycott that company.

But with Taco Cabana we have a local outlet of a national restaurant chain passively putting up a sign that carries no legal weight due to misguided corporate policy enacted from a company based in a state where concealed carry is so unlikely as to be nearly impossible.

Maybe it is me, but I do not see how TC putting up a sign that tells you that you are not wanted there is not openly and aggressively supporting anti-gun policies. The fact that the sign may not meet the specific technical requirements of a fairly unusual (in comparison to other states) legal requirement is not of bearing to me. The local outlet happens to be company owned and the corporation is, IMHO, aggressively anti-gun. I am basing that on their stated position shown in previous threads when the corporate office was asked about it.

So, I supported the boycott of TC. If they have taken it down or changed their policies, I will support removing the boycott and people going. Of course, I will also cite it as proof that a boycott can work to change corporate policies.

It's completely impractical to boycott every outfit that doesn't suit your political or personal ideals. I would like to not pay sales tax in the city of Austin because I don't support them providing health benefits for unmarried domestic partners of city employees with my tax money. However, is that even remotely practical for someone who lives less than 3 miles from the Austin city limit? I doubt it. That's just one example.

Well, it is probably not practical but it could be done. Why would you ever need to go into Austin for anything, when there is so much to buy and do in round rock and Georgetown and other places? The only thing Austin has that is unique is a few small colleges and the state government.


Obviously though, you have the right to support or not support any boycott any one else proposes for whatever reason you choose. I would never support your boycott of Austin for the reason you cited (I don't have a problem with it) and you can eat at TC while I boycott it.

[NcongruNt]

well maybe you guys should stop using the internet then.

I guarantee you that in using the internet, you are using equipment built by the company I work for, and they definitely and unequivocally restrict my right to use a gun for self defense while on their property, and this applies to customers, visitors and employees alike.

See, there's a difference to what you're saying and the Taco Cabana thing. What you're proposing is more parallel to refusing to do business with anyone that eats Taco Cabana.

And I've never been a direct customer (personally) of the big grey networking company. I have, however, been a customer to another company that has been a motivator for many of the recent bills regarding CHL (parking lot, CHL privacy bill, etc). In addition to my technical expertise, I am also a skilled photographer. I was a Canon guy for a very long time, up until I learned about their persistent oppressive behavior towards CHLers. While I still own an old 35mm Canon, they have lost all and any future purchases from me and mine. While your company may prohibit carry on its premises, it has not gone out of its way to hunt down and threaten CHLers the way Canon has. I have, in fact, not purchased equipment from your company for other reasons. Namely, I can't afford it. And the "affordable" blue sub-company it somewhat recently acquired makes junk, so my other principle of not buying junk takes care of that. If your company does indeed have issues with my carrying as a customer, that in itself just adds another reason to my list not to buy from them. And as I do systems work and make purchasing recommendations for networking equipment, I can endeavor to see to it that my company doesn't buy equipment from your company either. See? It can work!

While I can't control whether or not my apartment manager eats Taco Cabana (or my upstream provider uses gray networking equipment), I can control where I go to eat (and who I get my networking equipment and camera equipment from). So I find your parallel flawed. Taco Cabana ain't that great, and unlike the gray networking equipment manufacturer you work for, it does not have a stranglehold on the high-demand routing and networking business, nor does it have a monopoly on the cheap pseudo-mexican food business. I can think of a dozen places around here I'd rather get a taco than Taco Cabana, especially when they've made it clear that they don't want my business.

[anygunanywhere]

Who really likes drive thru Tex-Mex? I mean really? I eat it when it is the only thing left. A good burger beats drive thru Tex-Mex anyday. Whataburger!

For Tex-Mex do the Pollo Marisco at Gringo's in the Houston area.

Anygunanywhere

[longhorn_92]

Drove by the Taco Cabana in Kemah. I didn't see any anti-gun signs.

Stopped by the nearest one yesterday morning....and they still have their sign displayed on the door...

[MBGuy]

While evacuating on Friday we stopped at the TC in Seguin for a bathroom break, no signs whatsoever.

Personally I wouldn't mind giving my business to someone that has seen the error of their ways, but I also believe that the signage isn't high on their agenda at the coporate office in NYC, so we see the inconsistencies from store to store. Not to mention that some managers might be opinionated one way or the other and the corporate office might give them flexibility on whether to post 30.06 or not.

[pbwalker]

well maybe you guys should stop using the internet then.

I guarantee you that in using the internet, you are using equipment built by the company I work for, and they definitely and unequivocally restrict my right to use a gun for self defense while on their property, and this applies to customers, visitors and employees alike.

Well, my guess would be Cisco...