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"Upon the conduct of each depends the fate of all." - Alexander the Great
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I think Decker would have had to call the real police to come get me after I decked him! Too big for his britches, he is.
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State law says the use of abusive, indecent, profane or vulgar language in a public place, which causes an "immediate breach of the peace," meets the definition of disorderly conduct.
She can whine and drop all the F bombs she wants. She deserved what she got and is LUCKY she only got a ticket instead of a ride to the pokey. I can just about guarantee that if Decker had cuffed her and called for a PD cruiser to pick her up, the arriving officer would've taken her directly to booking. Not passing GO and not collecting $200 big ones.Decker is certified by the state of Texas as firefighter, peace officer, fire investigator and fire inspector. His fire department uniform also says "investigator," Zacherl said.
If my Mama had been there, she'd have gotten a good taste of DAWN dishwashing soap.
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is the world that sensitive? don't wanna hear an F-Bomb, don't go to WALMART.
I mean seriously, cuffing someone for basically being flippant with their language borders on "thought police" to me.
was it completely classless to cuss like that in front of her two year old? sure. one could make a generalization about the kind of person that drops an F-Bomb in front of a two year old and WALMART, but that'd be too funny.
anyway. thought police, slippery slope and all...
FWIW, IIRC, AFAIK, FTMP, IANAL. YMMV.
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Not knowing all the facts of this particular case, it's wrong to second guess the marshal's decision to cite this woman. There is such a thing as an officer's discretion and not every situation is so bad that it warrants issuing a citation. Still, if the woman really was causing a major disturbance that put other people in danger, then the citation seems reasonable. Having said that, I suspect something must have just been in the air on August 4th because I had a run in with a lady at a gas station that same day.
It started when I said "Ma'am, the gallon jugs below are the same brand and flavor as the 3-liter bottles...I don't know if it matters to you but, that's 26% more water for the same price." Instead of simply saying "No thanks," or "I'm not interested," she blasted me with "How 'bout mind yo own business...How 'bout that!?!?" She then proceeded to strut toward the counter like a rooster. I handled the situation very poorly because I probably should have been cited for disorderly conduct myself after chastising this woman in front of a younger woman who had accompanied her into the store. For the sake of the forum, I'm not even going to post the sanitized version of what I said because I really just should have let it go. Darwin's theory surely would have caught up to this woman eventually. I left it at, "I hope the approaching storm spares you and yours and I hope you have a nice life." I'll admit there is a dark-side of me that felt some pleasure from hearing the younger of the two women say, "I guess he told you!" to the older woman as I got in the truck and drove away.
It started when I said "Ma'am, the gallon jugs below are the same brand and flavor as the 3-liter bottles...I don't know if it matters to you but, that's 26% more water for the same price." Instead of simply saying "No thanks," or "I'm not interested," she blasted me with "How 'bout mind yo own business...How 'bout that!?!?" She then proceeded to strut toward the counter like a rooster. I handled the situation very poorly because I probably should have been cited for disorderly conduct myself after chastising this woman in front of a younger woman who had accompanied her into the store. For the sake of the forum, I'm not even going to post the sanitized version of what I said because I really just should have let it go. Darwin's theory surely would have caught up to this woman eventually. I left it at, "I hope the approaching storm spares you and yours and I hope you have a nice life." I'll admit there is a dark-side of me that felt some pleasure from hearing the younger of the two women say, "I guess he told you!" to the older woman as I got in the truck and drove away.
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Nothing bothers me more than walking in a store or mall and hearing someone cursing. A fellow just the other day was trying to explain to his buddy how something fit together & every other word was F-this, or F-that. I could understand why his friend was having such a hard time understanding him, you had to weed-out so many extra words.
To make matters worse, when he noticed I was watching him, he shouts at me, "What the F~~~ are you looking at?" Could have gotten ugly, but about that time, one of Mesquite's finest walked around the corner and asked, "Is there was a problem?" And amazingly his language suddenly cleaned up. i excused myself as they continued their conversation.
To make matters worse, when he noticed I was watching him, he shouts at me, "What the F~~~ are you looking at?" Could have gotten ugly, but about that time, one of Mesquite's finest walked around the corner and asked, "Is there was a problem?" And amazingly his language suddenly cleaned up. i excused myself as they continued their conversation.
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When you verbalize, it's no longer a thought.DoubleJ wrote:anyway. thought police, slippery slope and all...
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I understand. I don't wanna hear someone cussin' like a sailor, but you wanna have yer "assault rifles" (yes, I purposely used the *wrong* term), but you don't want people to say what they feel they have a "right" to say.
I think society as a whole should be able to handle a situation like this. If a person is doing something socially unacceptable, then they should be scorned by society, and that person should *learn* from the scorn. if they want to be a part of society, they must be able to act accordingly. I think this mentallity of "Tattle Tell-ism" is part of what is wrong with this country, right now.
I'm not sayin' it's Good Form for someone to stand around dropping F-Bombs left and right, but to me, it's not a whole lot different than saying you can't Open Carry because it might offend someone.
guess it's just the Liberterian in me. Where's Kevin to weigh in on this'n? Huh????
I think society as a whole should be able to handle a situation like this. If a person is doing something socially unacceptable, then they should be scorned by society, and that person should *learn* from the scorn. if they want to be a part of society, they must be able to act accordingly. I think this mentallity of "Tattle Tell-ism" is part of what is wrong with this country, right now.
I'm not sayin' it's Good Form for someone to stand around dropping F-Bombs left and right, but to me, it's not a whole lot different than saying you can't Open Carry because it might offend someone.
guess it's just the Liberterian in me. Where's Kevin to weigh in on this'n? Huh????
FWIW, IIRC, AFAIK, FTMP, IANAL. YMMV.
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A Class B gets your license suspended?
§ 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar
language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance
tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public
place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate
breach of the peace;
(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and
unreasonable odor in a public place;
(4) abuses or threatens a person in a public place in
an obviously offensive manner;
(5) makes unreasonable noise in a public place other
than a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local
Government Code, or in or near a private residence that he has no
right to occupy;
(6) fights with another in a public place;
(7) discharges a firearm in a public place other than a
public road or a sport shooting range, as defined by Section
250.001, Local Government Code;
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a
public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
(9) discharges a firearm on or across a public road;
(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and
is reckless about whether another may be present who will be
offended or alarmed by his act; or
(11) for a lewd or unlawful purpose:
(A) enters on the property of another and looks
into a dwelling on the property through any window or other opening
in the dwelling;
(B) while on the premises of a hotel or
comparable establishment, looks into a guest room not the person's
own through a window or other opening in the room; or
(C) while on the premises of a public place,
looks into an area such as a restroom or shower stall or changing or
dressing room that is designed to provide privacy to a person using
the area.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4)
that the actor had significant provocation for his abusive or
threatening conduct.
(c) For purposes of this section:
(1) an act is deemed to occur in a public place or near
a private residence if it produces its offensive or proscribed
consequences in the public place or near a private residence; and
(2) a noise is presumed to be unreasonable if the noise
exceeds a decibel level of 85 after the person making the noise
receives notice from a magistrate or peace officer that the noise is
a public nuisance.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor
unless committed under Subsection (a)(7) or (a)(8), in which event
it is a Class B misdemeanor.
(e) It is a defense to prosecution for an offense under
Subsection (a)(7) or (9) that the person who discharged the firearm
had a reasonable fear of bodily injury to the person or to another
by a dangerous wild animal as defined by Section 822.101, Health and
Safety Code.
§ 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar
language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance
tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public
place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate
breach of the peace;
(3) creates, by chemical means, a noxious and
unreasonable odor in a public place;
(4) abuses or threatens a person in a public place in
an obviously offensive manner;
(5) makes unreasonable noise in a public place other
than a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local
Government Code, or in or near a private residence that he has no
right to occupy;
(6) fights with another in a public place;
(7) discharges a firearm in a public place other than a
public road or a sport shooting range, as defined by Section
250.001, Local Government Code;
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a
public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
(9) discharges a firearm on or across a public road;
(10) exposes his anus or genitals in a public place and
is reckless about whether another may be present who will be
offended or alarmed by his act; or
(11) for a lewd or unlawful purpose:
(A) enters on the property of another and looks
into a dwelling on the property through any window or other opening
in the dwelling;
(B) while on the premises of a hotel or
comparable establishment, looks into a guest room not the person's
own through a window or other opening in the room; or
(C) while on the premises of a public place,
looks into an area such as a restroom or shower stall or changing or
dressing room that is designed to provide privacy to a person using
the area.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4)
that the actor had significant provocation for his abusive or
threatening conduct.
(c) For purposes of this section:
(1) an act is deemed to occur in a public place or near
a private residence if it produces its offensive or proscribed
consequences in the public place or near a private residence; and
(2) a noise is presumed to be unreasonable if the noise
exceeds a decibel level of 85 after the person making the noise
receives notice from a magistrate or peace officer that the noise is
a public nuisance.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor
unless committed under Subsection (a)(7) or (a)(8), in which event
it is a Class B misdemeanor.
(e) It is a defense to prosecution for an offense under
Subsection (a)(7) or (9) that the person who discharged the firearm
had a reasonable fear of bodily injury to the person or to another
by a dangerous wild animal as defined by Section 822.101, Health and
Safety Code.
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Hey..hows about you highlight the part that is pertinent there SCone?
Kinda sad when you get nailed for using it as an adverb
There is a funny going around about the "F-word"
I wont post a link..you gotta go get it if you want it
Some people need to grow some thicker skin
Kinda sad when you get nailed for using it as an adverb
There is a funny going around about the "F-word"
I wont post a link..you gotta go get it if you want it
Some people need to grow some thicker skin
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The way I'm reading it, profanity + the display of a firearm = Class B misdemeanorSCone wrote:§ 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar
language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance
tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public
place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate
breach of the peace;
(7) discharges a firearm in a public place other than a
public road or a sport shooting range, as defined by Section
250.001, Local Government Code;
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a
public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor
unless committed under Subsection (a)(7) or (a)(8), in which event
it is a Class B misdemeanor.
I could see that happening.
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Ooh, someone said a naughty word!
BIG DEAL!
There are adults wandering out in the world unsupervised and sometimes they use adult language. So what. Merely using strong language in a conversation with someone is not disorderly conduct just because some little milquetoast pansy overhears it.
I agree with WarHawk-AVG. Some people need to grow thicker skin.
BIG DEAL!
There are adults wandering out in the world unsupervised and sometimes they use adult language. So what. Merely using strong language in a conversation with someone is not disorderly conduct just because some little milquetoast pansy overhears it.
I agree with WarHawk-AVG. Some people need to grow thicker skin.
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Some people need to learn how to adequately populate their discussions with civil descriptors and colorful terms without continually reducing all of their discussions to the lowest common denominator - gutter filth.bdickens wrote:Ooh, someone said a naughty word!
BIG DEAL!
There are adults wandering out in the world unsupervised and sometimes they use adult language. So what. Merely using strong language in a conversation with someone is not disorderly conduct just because some little milquetoast pansy overhears it.
I agree with WarHawk-AVG. Some people need to grow thicker skin.
Mr. Cotton and the moderators continually remind us of the standards that exist on this forum and we excuse this example of obnoxious behavior by insisting we develop a thicker skin?
You wouldn't talk to your mother, wife or daughter that way, it is not acceptable behavior in a civilized society, and I would not tolerate your using it in the presence of my family.
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If your language or gestures incite an immediate breach of the peace, then this is a self-punishing violation. In other words, it's only an offense if those within earshot pile on and administer corrective action.SCone wrote: § 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar
language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance
tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;
(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public
place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate
breach of the peace;
This is a "time, place, manner" offense. It's well known that certain words, especially racial perjoratives, carry different weight depending on who says them, to whom, and where.
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So where are the "internet police" on this one? I see abbreviated profanity - 20 lashes!!! lol
A buddy of mine is a retired Fire Marshall for our city, most folks have no clue that he and other Fire Marshalls are LEO's and carry (or can legally carry) and have arrest power and such.
A buddy of mine is a retired Fire Marshall for our city, most folks have no clue that he and other Fire Marshalls are LEO's and carry (or can legally carry) and have arrest power and such.