Do you keep one in the "pipe?"

WildBill · #46

NcongruNt wrote:I also noticed that he did not approach the issue of the possibility of need to draw one-handed.

I think it approached it from the point of view that he was right and if you didn't agree with him you were an idiot.

srothstein · #47

dac1842 wrote:Why would you not carry with one in the chamber? You may as well not carry at all if you do that. "Excuse me Mr. Bad Guy, wait 5 seconds for me to draw and chamber one first". Yep that would be real effective. May as well name your beneficiary.

Well, I used to carry a 1911 that way for a very good reason. I was an MP and that was how we were ordered to do it, and I really prefered to not get in trouble with the Army by breaking their rules. They get kind of sticky about that.

And what we did as MPs was learn to rack the slide as we drew. It meant a two-handed draw though, with the weak hand coming back over to pull the slide back as the strong hand was pushing the weapon forward to a shooting position.

I also leanred a way to pull the weapon partially from the holster, twist it almost 90 degrees, push it back in and rack it against the inside of the holster itself. I was not as quick that way as the two-handed method and only got it to work with some holster designs, but I know other MPs who got pretty good at it. Lots of hours of practice on the midnight shift in a guard shack in the middle of nowhere can do that for you.

But given the choice, such as now, and I always have one in the chamber.

The funniest rule I remember on thsi was when i was in SAPD. When i first joined, the issue weapon was a revolver and no one had a problem with carrying six rounds in it. The rules allowed you to carry condition one if you were not in a police station. But, it specifically said that an officer could not carry a semi-automatic pistol with a round in the chamber if he was in the police buildings. I was carrying a Browning Hi-Power in plain clothes when my Captain saw me with the hammer cocked. He asked if there was one in the chamber. I told him it was probably the same coniditon as his Sig 220 (IIRC) if he wanted to go compare. He did not take me up on the offer.

Bart · #48

dac1842 wrote:Why would you not carry with one in the chamber?

There are valid reasons but they're few and far between, and most don't apply to someone with a CHL in Texas. Some examples are
(1) security guards or military with a policy against a chambered round
(2) unlicensed carry in states that prohibit loaded weapons but allow condition 3
(3) a junk gun that's not safe to carry with a chambered round
(4) a cruiser ready shotgun
(5) going to a hunting stand or blind

Like I said, most don't apply to someone with a CHL in Texas.

SCone · #49

Maybe you'll like this one better...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/96599/pro ... guatemala/

Just turn the sound down if you don't care for the music.

PS-Sorry for the language in the last video, I didn't listen to the audio, just watched the technique.

SCone · #50

Or even this one...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M3nogY0widU&feature=related

Or this one...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpmJRBrrjpM&feature=related

But to be a real glutton for punishment, try this one...

http://www.operationalmedicine.org/Vide ... aining.wmv

LedJedi · #51

I did some youtubing looking for that video in question and found several very nice krav maga techniques. I have to say I've studied martial arts and defensive tactics for a good part of my life, especially including the more destructive aspects of joint manipulation and aikido. I simply have to say that i'm more than a little wowed at krav maga's simplicity, instinctual techniques and raw destructive power. There doesn't appear to be any watering down with fair and style. It seems to use one guiding philosophy, win the fight. I like that mentality a lot and will be looking into these techniques more closely.

for those of you who may be interested I put together a playlist of krav maga techniques that looked interesting and effective. I focused on gun disarmament techniques.

I looked at at least 80% of each video. they all appear to be 10 year old compliant.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 3B36E9E1D4

enjoy.

longhorn_92 · #52

LedJedi wrote:I did some youtubing looking for that video in question and found several very nice krav maga techniques. I have to say I've studied martial arts and defensive tactics for a good part of my life, especially including the more destructive aspects of joint manipulation and aikido. I simply have to say that i'm more than a little wowed at krav maga's simplicity, instinctual techniques and raw destructive power. There doesn't appear to be any watering down with fair and style. It seems to use one guiding philosophy, win the fight. I like that mentality a lot and will be looking into these techniques more closely.

for those of you who may be interested I put together a playlist of krav maga techniques that looked interesting and effective. I focused on gun disarmament techniques.

I looked at at least 80% of each video. they all appear to be 10 year old compliant.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 3B36E9E1D4

enjoy.

I too will be looking into these techniques - they are amazing! Has anyone else ever taken this?

- Students learn combative skills such as punching, kicking, knee strikes, elbows and defending chokes 360 degrees around the body. Bear hugs 360 degrees around their body, ground fighting techniques and getting to your feet quickly.-

I am really interested in this....I do carry however, I want to learn how to defend myself if I am ever disarmed or don't have a weapon....seriously, is there anyone else interested? Or who has taken this?

maximus2161 · #53

yep. When carrying I always have a round chambered.

Personally, I cant imagine carrying my handgun any other way.

DoubleJ · #54

I can just think of too many instances where one would have something going on with that "off" hand, and would therefore have to rack the slide without the hand.
-having to steer a family member out of danger
-holding back an attacker
-deflecting a blow from an attacker
-holding a door closed in a home invasion
-driving

seems to me that if you didn't have to add steps to your process, I wouldn't!
but that's just me, and ymmv.
m'kay.

Jesse1911 · #55

If you can draw and rack as fast as this guy, we might not even consider one in the pipe, but then again, with all these new safety features on guns, I guess we can save ourselves the time to practice...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ose72en9YfM&feature=related

KaiserB · #56

Not meaning to toss fuel on the fire. I can understand having one in the pipe with a 1911, or a SA/DA auto (HK, Ruger, S&W) with thumb safety. But what about guns such as a Glock or Springfield XD that are DAO that do not have a thumb safety, or other lockout (besides the trigger safety)?

boomerang · #57

KaiserB wrote:Not meaning to toss fuel on the fire. I can understand having one in the pipe with a 1911, or a SA/DA auto (HK, Ruger, S&W) with thumb safety. But what about guns such as a Glock or Springfield XD that are DAO that do not have a thumb safety, or other lockout (besides the trigger safety)?

Carrying a loaded Glock is like carrying a loaded revolver. Everyone has different comfort levels and it's not always based on logic. Some people think a 1911 is unsafe in condition 1 because the hammer is cocked.

Jesse1911 · #58

Jesse1911 wrote:If you can draw and rack as fast as this guy, we might not even consider one in the pipe, but then again, with all these new safety features on guns, I guess we can save ourselves the time to practice...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ose72en9YfM&feature=related

I think practicing this would be great for people who fear the hammer being cocked like colt 1911A and variants.

iratollah · #59

The main reason I sold my 1911 (9mm) was I could never get comfortable with carrying cocked and locked. And there was this new-fangled raygun looking thing called the P7 that had just come out, I had to be the first one on my block to get one of those. ($450NIB_OTD w/ 2mags). You could carry it with one in the pipe and all the springs relaxed.

The worst thing about selling my 1911 was I had a factory Ace .22 conversion kit for it. That was major fun.

DoubleJ · #60

you still got the conversion kit? ah might be interested....

what's that old saying? "Isn't carrying a gun cocked and locked dangerous?"
"If it wasn't dangerous, I wouldn't carry it!"

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