Unlicensed Man's gun discharges in cubicle at work

[WildBill]

John -
Thanks for sharing your story. I am sure that everyone reading this forum has learned something. I am sorry that you lost your job and hope that you will find work soon. Fortunately so one else was hurt so I hope that you don't have to face any criminal charges. I think that you have already paid enough for your mistake. Hopefully the DA will agree. Take care of yourself and stick around. There are a lot of good people that hang out around here.
Bill

[John Collins]

Thanks you Bill AND Mike. I'll be reading this forum alot in the future.

[dukalmighty]

After reading how the weapon discharged and calibre and extent of injury's i can honestly say that has to frickin hurt and is there or will there be any permanent muscle, nerve, or ligament damage to your legs from the injury.I knew a guy in the late 70's was shot in the upper thigh with a 22 LR and walked with a limp afterwards.
I have had an accidental discharge that killed a tv about 30 years ago and you never forget

[Lykoi]

After reading how the weapon discharged and calibre and extent of injury's i can honestly say that has to frickin hurt and is there or will there be any permanent muscle, nerve, or ligament damage to your legs from the injury.I knew a guy in the late 70's was shot in the upper thigh with a 22 LR and walked with a limp afterwards.
I have had an accidental discharge that killed a tv about 30 years ago and you never forget

I have a permanent "dent" in my calf from a .22lr... my cousin's only ND... i don't limp, but when it's wet and cold my shin aches.

[John Collins]

Don't know if there will be or not yet. Right now I'm more worried about getting a blood clot.

[KD5NRH]

and he was using 230gr fmj ammunition. After looking at all four of his wounds, it is a very good thing he was not using HST's.

Sounds like it's an even better thing he didn't end up needing it; shot in both legs and still walking at all isn't a characteristic of any ammo I'd want to trust my life to.

[John Collins]

Yes but consider it was at point blank range and FMJ's are are made to penetrate not expand and punch a hole it did. The reason I'm walking is because the bullet did not hit any arteries or veins or cartiledge. But it did break the tibia of the right leg. I wouldn't call using a walker or a cane or hobbling around exactly walking.

One thing for sure is that if a person is hit with a .45 ACP FMJ they will at least bleed a lot. I know I did.

[WildBill]

John -
I have a couple questions for you if you would care to answer them. If you don't, I completely understand.

You stated in your first post that "only the owner has written permission." I presume that means that the owner gave himself written permission and he carried at work. Did you ever ask the owner for permission to carry at work and what was his response? Do any other employees have permission? I am curious that if he was carrying why he would deny your request.

Since you mentioned that you no longer have a job, I presume that you were fired "for cause" so you can't collect unemployment. The next question is when and how were you terminated and who did it? Did he wait until you got out of the hospital, etc. Did he express any regret having to fire you, etc. Maybe these are strange questions, but I am curious.

Bill

[John Collins]

Never actually saw him carry. The only way I knew that, was that the HR person said he was the only one who had permission, so I guess if he wanted to he could.

I talked to the IT manager on occassion, and he said he had to drive the owners truck somewhere for him once, and he found more than one pistol in his truck. And as a matter of fact, the same IT guy had his new H&K SOCOM .45 up at the office one night. We were talking and he said he got for his birthday from his wife. It was a nice gun and he like I am a gun admirer. But i know he didn't have written permission, because he said he just never showed it to anyone who would make a problem about him having it up there. Like me that was probably the one and only time he actually ever had it in the building.

There was another guy that did outside marketing that carried his in the building all the ime. We used to talk guns all the time but his having it in the building never bothered me.

No the owner never spoke to me directly. They just said I could not come back because there were some employees that didn't want me coming back. WHich I can understand, so they won't let me back to even attend seminars in the building. No problem I was going to leave anyway.

Actually I wasn't getting paid what my commissions should have been anyway. I was already looking for something better.

[WildBill]

No the owner never spoke to me directly. They just said I could not come back because there were some employees that didn't want me coming back.

That seems like a lame excuse to me. There could always be some employees that didn't want you back no matter why you left. Thanks for your post and good luck on the job search.