Elderly man fatally shoots 2 reported burglars--NEWS FLASH!!

[McKnife]

Just saw Quannell Evans on FOX telling Hannity and Combs that Mr. Horn shot both criminals IN THE BACK! Pretty sure this is a cold-blooded lie.

"He is a cold-blooded murderer"


Where do they pick up these people? Hannity made Quannell (also a criminal) look like a fool.


I also love how Combs was fishing for racism. Makes me sick.

[Hamourkiller]

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DPS was watching burglars shot by Horn

Even before their deaths prompted a series of heated debates about the use of deadly force, detectives at the Department of Public Safety had their eye on Diego Ortiz and Miguel Dejesus.

The two were shot and killed by Joe Horn, a Pasadena man who thought they were burglarizing his neighbor’s home last month.

According to a DPS memo obtained by 11 News, the department was investigating the use of Puerto Rican birth certificates by Colombians seeking to obtain Texas driver’s licenses.

Both Ortiz and Dejesus had applied for licenses. Dejesus listed his country of origin as Puerto Rico, but both men were Colombian.

Apparently, the DPS is investigating hundreds of immigrants who may have used illegal papers to get Texas licenses.

But that’s not all.

A much wider probe has been launched into an organized syndicate of Colombians who are engaged in illegal weapons sales and home break-ins – just like the one Ortiz and Dejesus were involved in last month in Pasadena.

That day, Joe Horn and a shotgun stood in the way of the suspected thieves, but in many instances the suspects have gotten away.

The ATF, ICE and DPS have reportedly formed a task force to bring the crime wave to an end.

The burglars are said to be very effective at what they do, conducting extensive surveillance on their targets before striking. Some of the suspects are extremely violent.

The investigations have already led to several arrests.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/ ... 89aae.html

[Photoman]

The burglars are said to be very effective at what they do, conducting extensive surveillance on their targets before striking.

Has anyone heard what was in the bag the two criminals were carrying from the house? They sure got in and out quick.

[Photoman]

Apparently, the DPS is investigating hundreds of immigrants who may have used illegal papers to get Texas licenses.

Hundreds? Please!

[Big Dom]

Joe Horns only crime is being stupid. Learn from his mistakes. First off say as little as possible to the dispatcher. Give them pertinent information and thats it. There were several times throughout the conversation where it sounded like he was intent on shooting them. If he was going outside they were going to die. Point blank. Ultimately I think the audio is what will sink him.
Second with the police on the way not the best idea to be running around with a weapon. The guy is lucky he didn't get shot himself by the police. Why put yourself in a potentially deadly situation for a neighbor you don't even know. He says on the tape he doesn't know them but knows the neighbors on the other side. There goes his defense of they asked me to house sit or anything along those lines. Why confront two potentially armed bad guys for someone you don't even know when the police are on the way. They could have been amped up on speed or something and not been stopped so easily. Why take that chance. Get a good description note which way they go and pass the info on to the dispatcher. It just wasn't the brightest thing to do. I'm not saying he was wrong I hope it makes other burglars think twice before stealing from hard working people. I do think however he is screwed I don't see him getting off without any charges. Even if he does one of the guys had a wife and child he will get raped in civil court. Was it really worth the trouble? I know this sounds bad but I arm myself to protect myself and my family. The way I see it it's up to you to do the same for yours. Maybe thats a bad attitude to have but at the end of the day I want to make it home to my family. I'll leave the heroics to the professionals.

As for Quanell X he is just a media hog. He wants attention anyway he can get it. I mean the black panthers preaching to leave your safety in the hands of the police? Is this some bizzaro world? Doesn't at all fit into the ideology of the black panthers. They also preached to arm yourself and rely on yourself for your own safety first. He is a total hypocrate. Not to mention a con man and a crook himself. He makes me sick. This whole situation could have been avoided if he would have just stayed in the house. Oh well more power to Mr Horn I hope it all works out for him but its a heap more trouble than I'd want to place myself into.

[Walker]

I wouldn't call Mr. Horn a stupid man. He's a computer consultant, which testifies to a fair amount of brains, and he seems to be an otherwise level-headed family type guy.

Anybody that can read or download an audio file knows the Joe Horm made some mistakes that day. He was emotional and not guarded in his words - we all know that.

Why confront two potentially armed bad guys for someone you don't even know when the police are on the way who could have been amped up on speed? Why take that chance?

Because some men will stand up and protect their community when others won't.

I'll warrant that it will be some time before thieves and burglars venture back into that neighborhood.

Joe Horn made a point that day about taking a crowbar to someone's windows or doors in these parts. A point that a lot of us won't forget, both amongst criminals and their potenial victims too.

[flb_78]

Why confront two potentially armed bad guys for someone you don't even know when the police are on the way who could have been amped up on speed? Why take that chance?

Because some men will stand up and protect their community when others won't.

HEAR HEAR, I'll drink to that!!!

[raccol]

Apparently, the DPS is investigating hundreds of immigrants who may have used illegal papers to get Texas licenses.

Hundreds? Please!

That's what the report says.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/ ... 89aae.html

[Big Dom]

I wouldn't call Mr. Horn a stupid man. He's a computer consultant, which testifies to a fair amount of brains, and he seems to be an otherwise level-headed family type guy.

Anybody that can read or download an audio file knows the Joe Horm made some mistakes that day. He was emotional and not guarded in his words - we all know that.

I will concede that much but his actions in this case werent very bright.

Why confront two potentially armed bad guys for someone you don't even know when the police are on the way who could have been amped up on speed? Why take that chance?

Because some men will stand up and protect their community when others won't.

I'll pass thats all I need is some vigilante neighbors shooting up my neighborhood putting my kids at risk. Once again leave it to the trained professionals. If you have to defend yourself thats one thing but I certainly dont want armed vigilantes running around putting us all at risk. Its just a matter of time before a well intentioned neighbor kills some innocents. Bullets don't discriminate and any time you start shooting in a populated area you are taking a risk. Besides that don't make it sound like we have some responsibility to protect the entire community. They have the ability to arm themselves just as we do. I'm no police officer or soldier I arm myself to protect me and my own. If you don't do the same thats your problem and I dont feel bad at all about. Lay that guilt trip on someone else.

[quote="Walker"I'll warrant that it will be some time before thieves and burglars venture back into that neighborhood.

Joe Horn made a point that day about taking a crowbar to someone's windows or doors in these parts. A point that a lot of us won't forget, both amongst criminals and their potenial victims too.[/quote]

Perhaps or next time they will be sure to be armed. The next trigger finger happy neighbor that tries this might not walk away from it. It's just not worth it. Not to mention if these thugs were indeed part of a bigger crime syndicate he likely put his whole family at risk. I doubt he will be able to continue living in that house. Is it worth potentially squandering all your retirement savings to defend yourself in court and uprooting your family and everything you know to defend a strangers property? Not in my book I have to much to lose in a situation like this. On the other hand were someones life in immediate danger and there was no time to call for help that would be a different situation all together. In this case though it just wasn't a smart thing to do. I'm not saying the guys didnt deserve what they got were it the owner of the property who shot them nobody would give it a second thought. I'd rather not have armed neighbors patrolling my property though they don't know whats going on and it potentially puts me at more risk than anything. I can defend my own property just fine.

[Walker]

Is it worth potentially squandering all your retirement savings to defend yourself in court and uprooting your family and everything you know to defend a strangers property?

Well, I dunno. But I believe that Houstonians will cover Joe's defense.

I respect your opinion and all, and I hope that you and yours continue to live safely within the walls of in your castle.

But just remember this: This county wasn't built by men who hid behind the shutters of their homes.

God bless. [/i]

[TxBlonde]

Walker wrote:
Why confront two potentially armed bad guys for someone you don't even know when the police are on the way who could have been amped up on speed? Why take that chance?

Because some men will stand up and protect their community when others won't.


I'll pass thats all I need is some vigilante neighbors shooting up my neighborhood putting my kids at risk. Once again leave it to the trained professionals. If you have to defend yourself thats one thing but I certainly dont want armed vigilantes running around putting us all at risk. Its just a matter of time before a well intentioned neighbor kills some innocents. Bullets don't discriminate and any time you start shooting in a populated area you are taking a risk. Besides that don't make it sound like we have some responsibility to protect the entire community. They have the ability to arm themselves just as we do. I'm no police officer or soldier I arm myself to protect me and my own. If you don't do the same thats your problem and I dont feel bad at all about. Lay that guilt trip on someone else.

Not trying to lay a guilt trip on anyone. Just remember how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot.

Mr horn maybe said to much but I have to understand the time frame from which he was probably raised.

He was not raised in this "ME FIRST" society and the society where people only think about themselves.

He was most likely raised the way my grandfather was raised and that is you look out for all around you.

Hey remember the golden rule "Do unto other as you would have them do unto you."

I am really wondering how you would feel if it was your house that got broke into.

Also last time I checked Shotguns pelets do not go very far...That is way they are great for home defense and if you are worried about stray bullets in a populated areas...move to the country and out of the city. You know there is crime everywhere...You are no longer safe anywhere anymore. NOT EVEN in your own home.

I have read on here where people say they would or would not do something.

You really never know what you are going to do until you are in a spot that it has to be done.

[Big Dom]

Fair enough I respect your opinion. Actually I've been burglarized before. It sucks. The way I see it though was partially my fault I had an alarm and didnt set it that day. Pretty sure it was neighborhood kids as all they stole was a bunch of video games and things like that. Was I mad enough to shoot somebody? Honestly probably, but cooler heads prevailed for me personally it wasn't worth it for a few hundred dollars worth of stuff. Unfortunately I never got any of my stuff back. Fortunately my firearms were locked away and they didn't get those. The worst thing about being burglarized honestly isn't the loss of "stuff" but the feeling of having your home violated. In that sense I can understand why he became so upset even with it being a neighbor. You have a good point in that you really don't know what you would do unless you are in that situation. I'm just of the opinion I have a obligation to take care of my family first and I can't do that if I'm shot by some burglar trying to steal the neighbors stuff. Rationally I think this but in the heat of the moment who knows. Don't get me wrong I hope he is cleared I just don't know if it was worth all the trouble. I guess we will find out in the end.

[anygunanywhere]

I just don't know if it was worth all the trouble.

If the world was in the right frame of mind, it would not mean trouble if you protected your neighbor's goods, and if more people protected their neighbor's goods, then fewer scum would be out stealing your neioghbor's goods.

Anygun

[stevie_d_64]

The two were shot and killed by Joe Horn, a Pasadena man who thought they were burglarizing his neighbor’s home last month.

Well...They weren't there for tea...

I really like how the media is purposefully dumbing down Mr. Horn, making him look like some sort of idiot...

And the same media is absolutely reluctant to have to balance the incident by having to tell the tale of these illegal aliens and their criminal past...

Quannel is going to be the front man for all of this till the GJ gets back with a decision on Mr. Horn...

If Mr. Horn is no-billed, I can guarantee you that the national race-baiters will jump in real quick as soon as that happens...

Thats why it is so important that the folks in that nieghborhood get some sort of legal protection from assemblies of any kind, for or against Mr. Horn...The media is continuing to state that it is unlikely they will get some sort of legal protection like that...I believe the media wants to set up the potential unrest that may occur if Mr. Horn is no-billed...

I do not see any good coming from this at all...Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, but I get the feeling thats not what Quannel the tenths minions and the news media want...And they are getting tons of attention while the people in that neighborhood are not...

[Lucky45]

Autopsy: Burglary Suspects Shot In Back
By Ryan Korsgard

POSTED: 5:40 pm CST December 7, 2007
UPDATED: 6:19 pm CST December 7, 2007


HOUSTON -- An autopsy showed two burglary suspects were shot in the back allegedly by a Pasadena neighbor who witnessed their crime, KPRC Local 2 reported Friday. The suspects were also in this country illegally, according to authorities.

Pasadena police said suspects Diego Ortiz and Hernando Torres should not have been in the United States. Police said they made the discovery while investigating the fatal shootings of the two men from Colombia using multiple names.

Pasadena police spokesman Capt. Bud Corbett said, "We understand that one of the suspects originally identified as DeJesus, later identified as Hermano Torres, was incidentally deported in 1999 back to Colombia."


Police said Torres was arrested in 1994 and charged with possession of cocaine with the intent to deliver. He got a 25-year sentence, started serving time in prison, but was paroled and deported back to Colombia in 1999.

Corbett said, "Their alien status doesn't really change anything about what we do."

The autopsies showed the suspects were shot in the back. Police first thought the chest and side wounds were the bullets' entrances. Instead, police said, they were the exit wounds.

Pasadena resident Joe Horn said he shot and killed the two men after he saw them breaking into his neighbor's home.

The 911 call taker repeatedly told Horn not to shoot. Some in Pasadena say no one would have been shot had they not broken the law.

Manuel Palomarez said, "They've broken the law twice over -- once being illegal here and twice breaking and entering. It doesn't matter."

New Black Panther leader Quanell X has protested in front of Horn's home. He wants Horn to face murder charges.

Quanell X said, "We understand clearly that they were in the country illegally. But that's for the immigration and ICE officials to handle. Mr. Horn, what he did was murder. He shot both men in the back."

Horn's attorney did not wish to comment for this story.

My, my, my, look how the pendulum swings. A little science and crime scene investigations will be able to figure out exactly how far and the exact location that the suspects were shot. Size of the wounds, ballistics of his shotgun and ammo, blood splatter patterns, ammo shots into the building or on property. With computer software so prevalent in CSI, the evidence will not lie. Just have to match it with the shooters statements and so which is more credible.