Elderly man fatally shoots 2 reported burglars--NEWS FLASH!!

[stevie_d_64]

Wow, very incredible. Notice how as soon as he shot them officers magically appeared?

That's crap.

What? What are you suggesting?

I'm just upset that they didn't get there fast enough, it seemed that it was almost the very moment he had to take matters into his own hands they got there. Horrible luck for the old man

Pasadena P.D. has very good coverage, and some good folks out there working in that regard...

Being familiar with the area where this happened though "might" have been a challenge to get to, even as quickly as they did...Probably just a distance issue...

Obviously the response time is from the time the man made the call and the dispatcher made the call to the officers who could respond to this incident...Looks to me like they did get there as fast as they could...I'm not going to be critical of the response time...Most of them probably responded by coming east on Fairmont to southwest on Red Bluff...Then into that subdivision...

And it didn't appear (hearing on the 911 tape) that they responded with any sirens (audible) running...

So there could be an issue about, that if the man had heard the responding officers approaching he might not have gone outside...

But our LEO contingent here will probably say that they do not want to alert anyone if a crime (like this) is in progress to their approach to the scene...

Just my opinion...

[stevie_d_64]

Listen to his recording...the prosecuting attorney is going to have a field day with this poor man!

Odd thing is..up until he started shooting the 911 guy kinda had a "yah right you won't go out there" egging him on attitude..then it immediately turned into a PUT THE GUN DOWN NOW attitude

I believe it turned into that, but I do not hear anything inciting the man to go outside and NOT listen to the "advice" the dispatcher was giving the man making the call...

And thats just it...The dispatcher was giving "advice", not anything like a "lawful order"...Which is something I do not believe is in their job description or authority...

But thats just me...

[stevie_d_64]

NO-billed or not, I feel very sorry for the guy. To be in a position where you feel forced to take human life is bad...to have to listen to that call over and over in the media must be horrible for him.

I agree...

I think he needs an award, we need more folks like that in the country.

I do not agree...Waving a flag and pats on the back are something totally 180 degrees the other way to the sentiments noted above...Yes, a message needs to be sent, and has been, but nobody needs to be trumpeting anything beyond that...

The interview with the neighbor also stickS in my mind.
"I was in shock because I never heard a gunshot before," Hernandez said. With so many people like here, it leaves no doubt as to why the bad guys expect never to be challenged.

Exactly what I was saying last night...

[stevie_d_64]

Well I just heard the 911 call and I think he is screwed. Old chuck the D A is going to go after him Big time. He has been waiting for a test case on our new state gun laws just to show us gun owners who is in charge.

He has? I don't think Chuckie is all that crazy about dragging up that old horse again. He got bit pretty hard and embarrassed, I don't believe he wants the voter reminded about what an idiot he had been. Have you noticed he hasn't been very flaboyant to the press for a while? In the mean time I can't see where this incident has much to do with any of the new gun laws.

I agree...I believe everyone involved is going to be walking on eggshells...

But thats just my take on it at this point...

[stevie_d_64]

I think at this point, with the information we've been given, it's impossible to come to any legal conclusions. It very well could be that both criminals came at him in his front yard. Who knows?

Until then, I'm praying for the guy...

There was a few seconds on the 911 tape where he alluded to the BGs advancing toward him.

I heard that too...

[razoraggie]

The end of the tape alluded to him being approached by the BGs. "They were coming towards me into my yard". That is in his defense.

On the flip side though.....listen to the tape from 5:15 - 5:20. He lets himself slip up and it may cost him dearly. You actually hear him tell the dispatcher before he goes outsdie, "I'm gunna Kill 'Em". I think he would've been ok up to this point. He was in a heated conversation with dispatch suggesting that if he went outside he (Mr Horn) might end up being shot. Mr Horn quickly came back with "You wanna bet! I'm gunna kill 'em". Kudos for the guys quick reaction but God help him with what came out of his mouth before going outsdie!

[dlcrouch]

why didn't your poll offer a "I don't know enough yet to make any sort of judgement"?
As far as the PD reponse time, i live 2 blocks away and the 2 times i've tripped the alarm by accident, the PD has responded with 5 minutes.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Like Stephan, txinvestigator and Kevin have said, I think he has a valid defense. I also think this is a textbook example of what I teach in my classes and seminars -- "don't let your mouth turn a righteous shooting bad!"

Chas.

[stevie_d_64]

I had a conversation with some folks at lunch today about this...They brought up the news coverage of this shooting, and asked me what I thought about it...



Ok, I didn't get into it too much other than I thought the man would not be raked over the coals too much...

I do think the media once again has chopped this guy up for shark chum...And the 911 tape has been severely chopped up in the way it has been presented in different media outlets, there are too many differences to mention, in length, and other outright omissions and context alterations...

If there is a jury that can review this, they better bus them in from out of state, because there won;t be anyone available to be able to give an impartial judgment on this in this town...

[Keith B]

Like Stephan, txinvestigator and Kevin have said, I think he has a valid defense. I also think this is a textbook example of what I teach in my classes and seminars -- "don't let your mouth turn a righteous shooting bad!"

Chas.

However, there are still some variables we don't know that will play into the scenario; were they in his yard or on the sidewalk, facing him when he shot, fleeing, etc. While the laws all say he can stop a fleeing felon, he was pretty vocal about going to shoot them and not staying inside. If someone wants to try this one as a test case, the Grand Jury may indict and see what the courts decide.

[lawrnk]

Whoever guessed they were likely illegals?

Police have not found the families of the dead men. One had identification indicating he was from Puerto Rico, the other had documentation indicating he may have been from Puerto Rico, Colombia or the Dominican Republic, Corbett said.

[stevie_d_64]

The story went national...It's at FoxNews.com in the Top Videos section...

They are saying the "man" was impatient...

Oh well...No one said the ride was going to be smooth...

[lawrnk]

After hearing the 3 audio clips, my mind has not changed. The man certainly said stupid stuff. I'd let him walk in a heartbeat. I've got no sympathy for burglars. Personally I'd apply the death penalty to rapists, burglars, robbers, and child molesters. Oh, and traitors like Fonda.

[WarHawk-AVG]

After hearing the 3 audio clips, my mind has not changed. The man certainly said stupid stuff. I'd let him walk in a heartbeat. I've got no sympathy for burglars. Personally I'd apply the death penalty to rapists, burglars, robbers, and child molesters. Oh, and traitors like Fonda.

[Drifter]

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