Corona Virus (COVID-19)( SARS-CoV-2) from China: Its going to be bad.

[anygunanywhere]

I am truly amazed at the number of members here who on one hand demand that our 2A rights be respected and defended while on the other hand ignore our right to not get the jab if we make that decision.

What I carry to defend myself is no one's business, not even the government's.

Whether or not I take the jab is no one's business, ESPECIALLY the government's.

[03Lightningrocks]

I am truly amazed at the number of members here who on one hand demand that our 2A rights be respected and defended while on the other hand ignore our right to not get the jab if we make that decision.

What I carry to defend myself is no one's business, not even the government's.

Whether or not I take the jab is no one's business, ESPECIALLY the government's.

It is not just here that I read people insisting they have some kind of right to force medicine on others, Americans have quickly forgotten that this is suppose to be "the land of the free". It simply amazes me how quick and easy Americans will give up their rights in the name of irrational fear. I did get the vaccination but it is none of my damned business what others choose to do.

[philip964]

I am truly amazed at the number of members here who on one hand demand that our 2A rights be respected and defended while on the other hand ignore our right to not get the jab if we make that decision.

What I carry to defend myself is no one's business, not even the government's.

Whether or not I take the jab is no one's business, ESPECIALLY the government's.

It is not just here that I read people insisting they have some kind of right to force medicine on others, Americans have quickly forgotten that this is suppose to be "the land of the free". It simply amazes me how quick and easy Americans will give up their rights in the name of irrational fear. I did get the vaccination but it is none of my damned business what others choose to do.

I agree. I was told many years ago to exercise my immune system by getting vaccines. I did and I have.

But if I was 20 or younger. No way on this Covid shot. But the J and J, maybe. The Rdna shot if I was 20, no way.

[03Lightningrocks]

I am truly amazed at the number of members here who on one hand demand that our 2A rights be respected and defended while on the other hand ignore our right to not get the jab if we make that decision.

What I carry to defend myself is no one's business, not even the government's.

Whether or not I take the jab is no one's business, ESPECIALLY the government's.

It is not just here that I read people insisting they have some kind of right to force medicine on others, Americans have quickly forgotten that this is suppose to be "the land of the free". It simply amazes me how quick and easy Americans will give up their rights in the name of irrational fear. I did get the vaccination but it is none of my damned business what others choose to do.

I agree. I was told many years ago to exercise my immune system by getting vaccines. I did and I have.

But if I was 20 or younger. No way on this Covid shot. But the J and J, maybe. The Rdna shot if I was 20, no way.

I agree on the age thing. If I were under 40 I wouldn't get the shot. The risk reward is simply not there. My great fear is that the government is starting to make noise about forcing this experimental vaccine on children as young as five years old. This crap has to stop immediately! Like any power we give to the government over our lives, they quickly decide to extend it and never give it back.

[mayor]

I'm a scientist. I do my own research. You can find any source on the Internet to bolster your pre-conceived notions that fits your opinion. There is a lot of mis-information floating around. I choose NOT to get my medical information from the internet. It may make you feel good, but it won't protect you. If you do the homework, you find that mostly the only people dying from COVID are those who are not vaccinated. And those who are having to go on ventilators are the ones not vaccinated. There is no coronavirus in the vaccine, and the results have proven largely effective. If you refuse to get vaccinated you are only helping to spread variants, and you are deluding yourself.

M'kay. Where is your published report?

If you accept some personal observation. The EMS agency I am a part of serves a County with 69,000 people that is said to be 38% vaccinated. We have had a recent uptick in COVID cases. Over the last 3 months we averaged 4 enhanced precaution calls per week. Over the last two weeks we have run a total of 37. I have transported 7 of those calls. 5 being confirmed positive prior to calling EMS. 1 was not vaccinated and presented extremely ill. The other 4 (1 Moderna and 3 Phizer), while not feeling well, presented with substantially better vitals with the exception of one that suffered significant ortho-static hypotension. The unvaccinated ended up in ICU. 3 others discharged from the ED. The hypotension patient outcome, which was yesterday, has not been relayed to us.

Sure, anecdotal evidence is as good as scientific research. works for me.

If by demanding a published report would satisfy you I suppose you are then a champion of global warming, firearms are evil and Biden won the election.

I don't even know what this means.

[RoyGBiv]

The freaking anti-vaxxers are going to destroy everything. 95% of the new infections are unvaccinated, and hospitals are once again filling up. As the virus spreads and spreads, it will continue to mutate and mutate and mutate, until eventually we'll have a variant that is completely resistant to the vaccines. Then we'll be back to Square One. Worse, actually. Nice. GET YOUR FREAKING SHOT!!!!

According to the preliminary data Moderna is the only vaccine effective against Delta variant. Based on historical data we have around 40 days left of this wave of Delta variant. It takes 28 days for the 2 Moderna shots, and another 14 days after that to be considered fully vaccinated.

So if someone went to get Moderna today, they would be fully vaccinated right after the end of this Delta variant wave.

Or they could get an N95/KN95, wear it, and be protected today.

Team Biden knows this and they are playing everyone for fools.

You and I haven't agreed much in this thread, but, we're on the same page here.

[Ruark]

According to the preliminary data Moderna is the only vaccine effective against Delta variant.

Sorry, that's wildly incorrect. The Pfizer vaccine is effective as well. If it weren't, then why are 95% of the Delta cases unvaccinated?

[cirus]

I'm not anti vax I just think it hasn't been studied long enough compared to past vaccines. Also, why is the border wide open? Infected illegals are pouring in and being dropped all over the US at night.

[Excaliber]

According to the preliminary data Moderna is the only vaccine effective against Delta variant.

Sorry, that's wildly incorrect. The Pfizer vaccine is effective as well. If it weren't, then why are 95% of the Delta cases unvaccinated?

Because the current CDC protocol is not to test vaccinated people with covid symptoms unless they're hospitalized. Purpose: to keep down the numbers of cases among the vaccinated to make it look like only the unvaccinated are coming down with the virus.

[Ruark]

According to the preliminary data Moderna is the only vaccine effective against Delta variant.

Sorry, that's wildly incorrect. The Pfizer vaccine is effective as well. If it weren't, then why are 95% of the Delta cases unvaccinated?

Because the current CDC protocol is not to test vaccinated people with covid symptoms unless they're hospitalized. Purpose: to keep down the numbers of cases among the vaccinated to make it look like only the unvaccinated are coming down with the virus.

Again, totally wrong. Foil hat getting a little loose?

[Paladin]

According to the preliminary data Moderna is the only vaccine effective against Delta variant.

Sorry, that's wildly incorrect. The Pfizer vaccine is effective as well. If it weren't, then why are 95% of the Delta cases unvaccinated?

I've posted the data.

Israeli data shows 85% of new COVID Delta infections in Israel are fully vaccinated and that the Israeli vaccinated exceed the unvaccinated in absolute terms in critical cases, hospitalizations, and symptomatic cases. UK announced 60% of the hospitalized were vaccinated, before they retracted their lengthy statement on the subject. Israel and the UK experienced Delta first and we would be wise to learn from their experience.

Gibraltar is 100% vaccinated, so their recent spike in cases is of vaccinated individuals.

There are some preliminary US numbers that show that the unvaccinated are hospitalized more than the vaccinated... to date...

[RoyGBiv]

According to the preliminary data Moderna is the only vaccine effective against Delta variant.

Sorry, that's wildly incorrect. The Pfizer vaccine is effective as well. If it weren't, then why are 95% of the Delta cases unvaccinated?

Because the current CDC protocol is not to test vaccinated people with covid symptoms unless they're hospitalized. Purpose: to keep down the numbers of cases among the vaccinated to make it look like only the unvaccinated are coming down with the virus.

So..... if.... vaccinated people are such a small minotiry of those hospitalized, then, the vaccine doesn't work because that number isn't zero?

[RoyGBiv]

According to the preliminary data Moderna is the only vaccine effective against Delta variant.

Sorry, that's wildly incorrect. The Pfizer vaccine is effective as well. If it weren't, then why are 95% of the Delta cases unvaccinated?

I've posted the data.

Israeli data shows 85% of new COVID Delta infections in Israel are fully vaccinated and that the Israeli vaccinated exceed the unvaccinated in absolute terms in critical cases, hospitalizations, and symptomatic cases. UK announced 60% of the hospitalized were vaccinated, before they retracted their lengthy statement on the subject. Israel and the UK experienced Delta first and we would be wise to learn from their experience.

Gibraltar is 100% vaccinated, so their recent spike in cases is of vaccinated individuals.

There are some preliminary US numbers that show that the unvaccinated are hospitalized more than the vaccinated... to date...

If a country is nearly fully vaccinated, does it not make sense that new cases would be, by definition, breakthrough?

The vaccines provide the best current protection against severe illness and death. /fact

You're welcome to test the fates, risk exposure to Delta, ride it out, and hope you don't get seriously sick, or have long-haul covid and the long-term health issues that come with that. Or, get a vaccine that tens (hundreds?) of millions have taken with relatively few adverse reactions and dramatically reduce your risk of getting severe illness.

[Paladin]

According to the preliminary data Moderna is the only vaccine effective against Delta variant.

Sorry, that's wildly incorrect. The Pfizer vaccine is effective as well. If it weren't, then why are 95% of the Delta cases unvaccinated?

I've posted the data.

Israeli data shows 85% of new COVID Delta infections in Israel are fully vaccinated and that the Israeli vaccinated exceed the unvaccinated in absolute terms in critical cases, hospitalizations, and symptomatic cases. UK announced 60% of the hospitalized were vaccinated, before they retracted their lengthy statement on the subject. Israel and the UK experienced Delta first and we would be wise to learn from their experience.

Gibraltar is 100% vaccinated, so their recent spike in cases is of vaccinated individuals.

There are some preliminary US numbers that show that the unvaccinated are hospitalized more than the vaccinated... to date...

If a country is nearly fully vaccinated, does it not make sense that new cases would be, by definition, breakthrough?

The vaccines provide the best current protection against severe illness and death. /fact

You're welcome to test the fates, risk exposure to Delta, ride it out, and hope you don't get seriously sick, or have long-haul covid and the long-term health issues that come with that. Or, get a vaccine that tens (hundreds?) of millions have taken with relatively few adverse reactions and dramatically reduce your risk of getting severe illness.

I posted the math... in the 42 days it will take for someone to get fully vaccinated with Moderna... the Delta wave will be over.

I already had Pfizer... and I'm telling you medical professionals: #1 who are fully vaccinated with it are getting sick, #2 are being told to wear their N95 masks, because they are getting sick only wearing surgical masks.

You can choose to follow this guy's advice:



Which will fail, or do what the medical professionals are doing. Your choice. I'm just providing the information.

[Paladin]

The Demo-Bolsheviks Have Settled on their New Strategy
Thomas DiLorenzo

Tucker Carlson nailed it last night. The political strategy of the Demo-Bolsheviks who control the government, the media, and the academic world for the period up to the 2022 congressional elections will be as follows:

- Double down and triple down on the creation of phony “pandemic” statistics that will be endlessly broadcast 24/7 by the Lying Media Scum and the “Tech Giant” communists. More mandatory masks, lockdowns, and COVID police to drum up as much fear and hysteria as possible among Boobus Americanus.
- Blame the fake, phony baloney pandemic on the unvaccinated, who will be uniformly defined as Trump supporters, Republicans, conservatives, and libertarians. They are already calling it a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.”
- Make the argument that, therefore, the Trump supporters, Republicans, conservatives, and libertarians are threatening to kill you, your family, and your friends by going unvaccinated.
- Only keeping Pelosi, Biden, Schumer, Schiff, Fauci, etc. in charge and in power forever can save the country from millions of deaths caused by these social criminals

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/th ... -strategy/