Corona Virus (COVID-19)( SARS-CoV-2) from China: Its going to be bad.

[K.Mooneyham]

I'm beginning to see reports now of people getting $50,000 bills for their coronavirus treatments, particularly if it involved ICUs and/or ventilators. It can go as high as $80K in some cases.

Health care is insane; I don't know where this is going. Take an ordinary ECG of your heart. A Medical Assistant making $8/hr. sticks some electrodes on your chest. They come in boxes of 500, like half a cent each. The MA runs the ECG machine, which cost $399, for a few seconds. It prints out the ECG on some graph paper. The graph paper comes in 100-ft. rolls that cost a few dollars each (in cases of a dozen).

Then comes the bill: ECG - $820.
Then the beauty. The physican grabs the printout, glances at it and says, "yeah, looks OK" and tosses it on the table.
"ECG interpretation: $375"

This is just beyond comprehension.

Medical insurance is one of the reasons that it all costs so much. I have read before that doctors and hospitals do not expect to get the amount that they charge. Each provider decides how much they will cover for any given procedure, often some percentage. So, in essence, the docs and hospitals OVER-charge so they can get something close to what they really want to get for the procedure, whatever it may be. That's a big problem because no one is then sure how much something should really cost. Medical insurance has inflated all the prices for everything medical-related. I'm sure some of the insiders know, but not us "regular folks".

No exactly. Medical payments to providers are decided by a predetermined rate per procedure. So when a provider joins a medical insurance network, they are given a list of how much the insurance will pay for each procedure. It does not matter what the doctor tries to bill, the insurance will only pay the predetermined rate for the procedure. Providers like to bill a ridiculous amount all the while knowing they will only be paid a set amount in order to show that the patient received a discount of the difference. The procedure rates are set according to regional averages.

Medical insurance is only one of the reasons. Fraud, malpractice insurance, and lack of independent doctors (they are mainly all a part of large companies now) are the bigger reasons.

Well, what I do know is that the way things are working right now, that isn't the "free market" at work. The system is broken, but single-payer (government-provided healthcare) will only make it all much, much worse. Maybe what this nation needs is some good, old-fashioned "trust busting". Of course, I won't hold my breath on that one.

[03Lightningrocks]

I'm beginning to see reports now of people getting $50,000 bills for their coronavirus treatments, particularly if it involved ICUs and/or ventilators. It can go as high as $80K in some cases.

Health care is insane; I don't know where this is going. Take an ordinary ECG of your heart. A Medical Assistant making $8/hr. sticks some electrodes on your chest. They come in boxes of 500, like half a cent each. The MA runs the ECG machine, which cost $399, for a few seconds. It prints out the ECG on some graph paper. The graph paper comes in 100-ft. rolls that cost a few dollars each (in cases of a dozen).

Then comes the bill: ECG - $820.
Then the beauty. The physican grabs the printout, glances at it and says, "yeah, looks OK" and tosses it on the table.
"ECG interpretation: $375"

This is just beyond comprehension.

Medical insurance is one of the reasons that it all costs so much. I have read before that doctors and hospitals do not expect to get the amount that they charge. Each provider decides how much they will cover for any given procedure, often some percentage. So, in essence, the docs and hospitals OVER-charge so they can get something close to what they really want to get for the procedure, whatever it may be. That's a big problem because no one is then sure how much something should really cost. Medical insurance has inflated all the prices for everything medical-related. I'm sure some of the insiders know, but not us "regular folks".

No exactly. Medical payments to providers are decided by a predetermined rate per procedure. So when a provider joins a medical insurance network, they are given a list of how much the insurance will pay for each procedure. It does not matter what the doctor tries to bill, the insurance will only pay the predetermined rate for the procedure. Providers like to bill a ridiculous amount all the while knowing they will only be paid a set amount in order to show that the patient received a discount of the difference. The procedure rates are set according to regional averages.

Medical insurance is only one of the reasons. Fraud, malpractice insurance, and lack of independent doctors (they are mainly all a part of large companies now) are the bigger reasons.

Well, what I do know is that the way things are working right now, that isn't the "free market" at work. The system is broken, but single-payer (government-provided healthcare) will only make it all much, much worse. Maybe what this nation needs is some good, old-fashioned "trust busting". Of course, I won't hold my breath on that one.

This is the reason Doctors often refuse the lower cost insurance plans. The lower cost insurance plans offer lower prices to Doctors to help cut costs. Many Doctors are now part of a "group" that negotiates these contracts and if they can't get the prices they feel they deserve, they simply don't agree to the contract with that particular insurance provider.

[Grayling813]

BETRAYED: The Rise and Fall of Dr. Fauci
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index. ... f-dr-fauci

Introduction

On Easter Sunday evening, we reached a turning point in the monumental, wholly unprecedented, nation-wrecking fiasco that is Coronagate: President Trump retweeted a post with the hashtag #FireFauci. Both the original tweet and Trump’s telling retweet were prompted by Anthony Fauci’s latest appearance on Fake News CNN. On Easter Sunday, no less, Fauci, who has been undermining Trump since the day this fiasco began, implied in response to loaded questions by the insufferable Jake Tapper that Trump could have saved lives had he announced “social distancing guidelines” that Fauci supposedly recommended to him as early as the third week of February.

Fauci made no such recommendation in February, but was rather saying the exactly opposite that month, as even the left-wing Politico shows in an article entitled Virus 'Experts' Early Statements Belie 'Prescient' Portrayal. Thus, on Easter Sunday Fauci cooperated with Tapper in disseminating a demonstrable lie to the nation.

[philip964]

I'm beginning to see reports now of people getting $50,000 bills for their coronavirus treatments, particularly if it involved ICUs and/or ventilators. It can go as high as $80K in some cases.

Health care is insane; I don't know where this is going. Take an ordinary ECG of your heart. A Medical Assistant making $8/hr. sticks some electrodes on your chest. They come in boxes of 500, like half a cent each. The MA runs the ECG machine, which cost $399, for a few seconds. It prints out the ECG on some graph paper. The graph paper comes in 100-ft. rolls that cost a few dollars each (in cases of a dozen).

Then comes the bill: ECG - $820.
Then the beauty. The physican grabs the printout, glances at it and says, "yeah, looks OK" and tosses it on the table.
"ECG interpretation: $375"

This is just beyond comprehension.

Medical insurance is one of the reasons that it all costs so much. I have read before that doctors and hospitals do not expect to get the amount that they charge. Each provider decides how much they will cover for any given procedure, often some percentage. So, in essence, the docs and hospitals OVER-charge so they can get something close to what they really want to get for the procedure, whatever it may be. That's a big problem because no one is then sure how much something should really cost. Medical insurance has inflated all the prices for everything medical-related. I'm sure some of the insiders know, but not us "regular folks".

No exactly. Medical payments to providers are decided by a predetermined rate per procedure. So when a provider joins a medical insurance network, they are given a list of how much the insurance will pay for each procedure. It does not matter what the doctor tries to bill, the insurance will only pay the predetermined rate for the procedure. Providers like to bill a ridiculous amount all the while knowing they will only be paid a set amount in order to show that the patient received a discount of the difference. The procedure rates are set according to regional averages.

Medical insurance is only one of the reasons. Fraud, malpractice insurance, and lack of independent doctors (they are mainly all a part of large companies now) are the bigger reasons.

Well, what I do know is that the way things are working right now, that isn't the "free market" at work. The system is broken, but single-payer (government-provided healthcare) will only make it all much, much worse. Maybe what this nation needs is some good, old-fashioned "trust busting". Of course, I won't hold my breath on that one.

Exactly there is no free market.

If there was a true free market an average hospital would resemble a Walmart. A multistory hospital in a medical center is much more expensive than a single story one out in the suburbs. Do you shop at a 8 story downtown department store anymore?

You would fly to Kansas and have your knee replaced at a one story factory that only did knee replacements.

Drug costs would be the same in the US, Mexico and Canada.

You could go to Target and pick up any drug you wanted with no prescription. Want some Hydroxychloroquine, go get it now.

Laws and Licenses, barriers that are put up stifle free enterprise. ( yes they keep us safer ) But are they all there for that reason alone? Or is it to protect the profession of health care?

Imagine if every job required a license and 8 years of schooling?

I love our healthcare system, they have saved my life twice now.
But is every rule or law to keep us safer or is some of it just the way we have always done it and let’s not rock the boat.

I mean look what happens when a non doctor like Trump has the nerve to suggest a novel treatment to a life threatening novel illness.

[philip964]

Coronavirus (Covid- 19) Timeline

December 6, 2019 - Man linked to Wuhan market has pneumonia symptoms 5 days later his wife who did not go to the market has same symptoms, suggests human to human spread.
December 27, 2019 - Dr. Jhang Jixan reports novel disease 180 patients new coronavirus
December 31, 2019 - UofToronto discovers China censoring internet terms Wuhan, SARS,Seafood mkt.

January 01, 2020 - CNN did a story on a Dr. Li Wenliang in Wuhan, China who was reporting a bad virus.
January 03, 2020 - China National Heath Commission issue a gag order, Wuhan pneumonia samples moved and/or destroyed. No publication of scientific information on new virus.
January 05, 2020 - WHO releases tweet saying no human to human transmissions and no healthcare worker infections reported.
January 06, 2020 - US - CDC offers China technical assistance with virus, offer ignored.
January 14, 2020 - WHO reports limited human to human transmission potentially among families.
January 20, 2020 - First case in US in Everett, Washington
January 21, 2020 - WHO suggests human to human transmission is ocuring in Wuhan.
January 23, 2020 - China locks down Wuhan, but not planes leaving for other countries.
January 31, 2020 - Italy bans all flights from China. Trump declares a public health emergency.

Feb. 04, 2020 - U. S. Restricted flights from China.
Feb. 24, 2020 - Pelosi invites people to SF Chinatown.
Feb. 25, 2020 - Last day of Galveston Mardi Gras

March 03, 2020 - First day of Houston Rodeo
March 11, 2020 - Houston Rodeo canceled, WHO declares a Pandemic.
March 12, 2020 - Trump bans travel from Europe.
March 13, 2020 - Trump invoked emergency powers under Stafford Act and NEA.
March 15, 2020 - Schools in Houston closed.
March 16, 2020 - Trump issues the guideline to groups no more than 10 people, work at home or school
March 17, 2020 - Restaurants and Bars in Houston ordered to close
March 18, 2020 - Trump invoked emergency powers under Defense Production Act.
March 19, 2020 - Trump names FEMA lead agency in Covid-19 emergency.

March 22, 2020 - Sunday 318,662 world, 13,672 dead. 27,004 infected US,
347 dead. 53,578 Italy, 4,825 dead. 81,397 China. Texas has 557 with 5 deaths. Houston at 154.

March 25, 2020 - First day of Quarantine in Houston. Trump declares State of Emergency.

March 29, 2020 - 10:48 am. Sunday 684,652 cases worldwide with 32,113 dead. 124,763 infected US, 2,187 dead. 92,472 Italy with (no data) dead. 82,120 China (is anyone believing this). New York state has 53,520 with 834 deaths. Louisiana has 3,315 with 137 deaths. Texas has 2,535 with 34 deaths. Houston 810 with 6 deaths.

April 1, 2020 - End of first week of Quarantine in Houston.

April 5, 2020 12:46 pm. Sunday 1,249,107 cases worldwide with 67,999 dead. 256,059 recovered. USA 324,052 infected, 9,132 dead 16,789 recovered. 128,948 Italy with 15,362 dead. 130,759 Spain with 12,418 dead. China 82,602 with 3,333 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 122,056 with 4,159 deaths. New Jersey has 34,124 with 864 deaths. Louisiana has 12,496 with 409 deaths. Texas has 6,872 with 123 deaths. Houston 2,281(+252) with 35 deaths.

April 8, 2020 End of second week of Quarantine in Houston

April 12, 2020 11:19 am. (16hrs) Easter Sunday 1,800,791 (+30,277 average of +75,290 over 2 days) cases worldwide with 110,892 dead 412,777 recovered. USA 530,830 (+4,434 average of 39,862 over 2 days) infected, 20,646 dead 32,314 recovered, 82,809 JH hospitalized, 39,460 (+496) UofM hospitalized. 152,271 (+0) Italy with 19,468 dead. 166,019 (-15,007) Spain with 16,672 dead. China 83,134 with 3,343 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 181,825 (+11,067) with 8,650 deaths, 33,244 hospitalized. New Jersey has 58,151 with 2,183 deaths. California has 22,416 (+710) with 634 deaths. Louisiana has 20,014 (+0) with 806 deaths. Texas has 13,391(+368) with 273 deaths, 1514 hospitalized. Houston 5,289 (+6) with 82 deaths.

April 13, 2020 12:34 pm. (25hrs) 1,883,119 (+82,328) cases worldwide with 117,569 dead 443,816 recovered. USA 560,891 (+30,061) infected, 22,861 dead 42,033 recovered, 93,631 (+10,822) JH hospitalized, 39,437 (-23) UofM hospitalized. 159,516 (+7,245) Italy with 20,465 dead. 169,496 (+3,477) Spain with 17,489 dead. China 83,213with 3,345 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 190,288 (+8,463) with 10,056 deaths, 42,594 hospitalized. New Jersey has 61,850 with 2,350 deaths. California has 23,324 (+908) with 683 deaths. Louisiana has 20,595 (+581) with 840 deaths. Texas has 13,895(+368) with 296 deaths, 1338 hospitalized. Houston 5,403(+114) with 88 deaths.

April 14, 2020 11:58 am. (24hrs) 1,945,055 (+61,936) cases worldwide with 121,897 dead 465,752 recovered. USA 584,073 (+23,182) infected, 24,485 dead 44,319 recovered, 95,624 (+1,993) JH hospitalized, 39,437 (-23) UofM hospitalized. 159,516 (+0) Italy with 21,067 dead. 172,541 (+3,045) Spain with 18,056 dead. China 83,306 with 3,345 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 196,146 (+5,858) with 10,834 deaths, 42,712 hospitalized. New Jersey has 64,584 with 2,443 deaths. California has 24,392 (+1068) with 732 deaths. Louisiana has 21,016 (+421) with 884 deaths. Texas has 14,526 (+631) with 317 deaths, 1176 hospitalized. Houston 5,629 (+226) with 96 deaths.

April 15, 2020 11:58 am. (24hrs) 2,008,850 (+63,795) cases worldwide with 129,045 dead 502,389 recovered. USA 610,774 (+26,701) infected, 26,119 dead 50,079 recovered, 101,768 (+6,144) JH hospitalized, 42,228 (+2790) UofM hospitalized. 162,488 (+2,972) Italy with 21,067 dead. 177,633 (+5,092) Spain with 18,579 dead. China 83,356 with 3,346 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 203,377 (+7,231) with 10,842 deaths, 46,201 hospitalized. New Jersey has 68,824 with 2,805 deaths. California has 25,779 (+1,387) with 790 deaths. Louisiana has 21,518 (+502) with 1,013 deaths. Texas has 15,343 (+817) with 362 deaths, 1,409 hospitalized. Houston 5,926 (+297) with 106 deaths.

April 15, 2020 End of third week of Quarantine in Houston.

April 16, 2020 11:08 pm. (35 hrs) 2,158,250 (+149,400) cases worldwide with 144,221 dead 543,999 recovered. USA 671,331 (+60,557) infected, 33,268 dead 56,017 recovered, 108,942 (+7,174) JH hospitalized, 42,228 (+2790) UofM hospitalized. 168,941 (+6,453) Italy with 22,170 dead. 184,948 (+7,315) Spain with 19,315 dead. China 83,428 with 3,346 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 223,691 (+20,314) with 14,832 deaths, 50,450 hospitalized. New Jersey has 75,317 with 3,518 deaths. California has 28,091 (+2,312) with 973 deaths. Louisiana has 22,532 (+1,014) with 1,156 deaths. Texas has 17,235 (+1,892) with 427 deaths, 1,459 hospitalized. Houston 6,473 (+547) with 122 deaths.

April 17, 2020 12:04 pm. (13 hrs) 2,188,194 (+89,672 average over 2 days) cases worldwide with 147,632 dead 560,177 recovered. USA 672,293 (+30,759 average over 2 days) infected, 33,325 dead 56,243 recovered, 109,494 (+3,863 average over 2 days) JH hospitalized, 42,228 (+0) UofM hospitalized. 168,941 (+3,226 average over 2 days) Italy with 22,745 dead. 184,948 (+3,655 average over 2 days) Spain with 19,478 dead. China 83,769 with 4,636 (+1,290 found bodies at home) dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 223,691 (+10,157 average over 2 days) with 15,405 deaths, 50,450 hospitalized. New Jersey has 75,317 with 3,518 deaths. California has 28,157 (+1,189 average over 2 days) with 973 deaths. Louisiana has 22,532 (+507 average over 2 days) with 1,156 deaths. Texas has 17,263 (+960 average over 2 days) with 429 deaths, 1,459 hospitalized. Houston 6,501 (+287 average over 2 days) with 125 deaths.

April 18, 2020 1:17 pm. (25 hrs) 2,293,644 (+105,450) cases worldwide with 177,400 dead 583,783 recovered. USA 715,536 (+43,243 average over 2 days) infected, 37,625 dead 59,984 recovered, 112,260 (+2,766) JH hospitalized, 40,551 (-1,677) UofM hospitalized. Italy 175,925 (+6,984) with 23,227 dead. Spain 191,726(+6,778) with 20,043 dead. China 83,787 with 4,636 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 235,395 (+11,704) with 17,131 deaths, 52,424 hospitalized. New Jersey has 81,391(+6074) with 4,071 deaths. California has 29,546 (+1,389) with 1,057 deaths. Florida has 25,277 with 741 deaths. Louisiana has 23,584 (+1052) with 1,267 deaths. Texas has 18,288 (+1025) with 462 deaths, 1,522 hospitalized. Houston 6,813 (+312) with 134 deaths.

For detailed information on Texas see https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/ops ... b9cafc8b83 For worldwide information on Covid-19
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
For Covid-19 hospital admissions https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misr ... ng-project
For FOX timeline https://www.foxnews.com/world/timeline- ... us-coverup

The number of new cases each day is higher than the day before. But the rate of acceleration is not increasing. The number of hospitalizations outside the hot zones in the US is declining.

[K.Mooneyham]

Just an FYI, Texas Department of Health and Human Services has recently added fatality statistics for cleared investigations on the COVID dashboard. I had emailed them a couple of times wondering why that info wasn't available, though I'm sure I wasn't the only one wondering. Anyway, they obliged, and that data is now up. It is raw info only, nothing that could identify any person. About 40% of the current known fatal cases have been investigated and cleared. Over half of those who didn't make it were 75 years and older; over 75 percent were 65 and over. There are no fatalities listed, at this time, for anyone 19 years and younger. There is also data showing overall sex and race, but not correlated with age groups. There is no data for comorbidities. As more cases are cleared in days to come, the data should become more accurate.

[philip964]

Coronavirus (Covid- 19) Timeline

December 6, 2019 - Man linked to Wuhan market has pneumonia symptoms 5 days later his wife who did not go to the market has same symptoms, suggests human to human spread.
December 27, 2019 - Dr. Jhang Jixan reports novel disease 180 patients new coronavirus
December 31, 2019 - UofToronto discovers China censoring internet terms Wuhan, SARS,Seafood mkt.

January 01, 2020 - CNN did a story on a Dr. Li Wenliang in Wuhan, China who was reporting a bad virus.
January 03, 2020 - China National Heath Commission issue a gag order, Wuhan pneumonia samples moved and/or destroyed. No publication of scientific information on new virus.
January 05, 2020 - WHO releases tweet saying no human to human transmissions and no healthcare worker infections reported.
January 06, 2020 - US - CDC offers China technical assistance with virus, offer ignored.
January 14, 2020 - WHO reports limited human to human transmission potentially among families.
January 20, 2020 - First case in US in Everett, Washington
January 21, 2020 - WHO suggests human to human transmission is ocuring in Wuhan.
January 23, 2020 - China locks down Wuhan, but not planes leaving for other countries.
January 31, 2020 - Italy bans all flights from China. Trump declares a public health emergency.

Feb. 04, 2020 - U. S. Restricted flights from China.
Feb. 24, 2020 - Pelosi invites people to SF Chinatown.
Feb. 25, 2020 - Last day of Galveston Mardi Gras

March 03, 2020 - First day of Houston Rodeo
March 11, 2020 - Houston Rodeo canceled, WHO declares a Pandemic.
March 12, 2020 - Trump bans travel from Europe.
March 13, 2020 - Trump invoked emergency powers under Stafford Act and NEA.
March 15, 2020 - Schools in Houston closed.
March 16, 2020 - Trump issues the guideline to groups no more than 10 people, work at home or school
March 17, 2020 - Restaurants and Bars in Houston ordered to close
March 18, 2020 - Trump invoked emergency powers under Defense Production Act.
March 19, 2020 - Trump names FEMA lead agency in Covid-19 emergency.

March 22, 2020 - Sunday 318,662 world, 13,672 dead. 27,004 infected US,
347 dead. 53,578 Italy, 4,825 dead. 81,397 China. Texas has 557 with 5 deaths. Houston at 154.

March 25, 2020 - First day of Quarantine in Houston. Trump declares State of Emergency.

March 29, 2020 - 10:48 am. Sunday 684,652 cases worldwide with 32,113 dead. 124,763 infected US, 2,187 dead. 92,472 Italy with (no data) dead. 82,120 China (is anyone believing this). New York state has 53,520 with 834 deaths. Louisiana has 3,315 with 137 deaths. Texas has 2,535 with 34 deaths. Houston 810 with 6 deaths.

April 1, 2020 - End of first week of Quarantine in Houston.

April 5, 2020 12:46 pm. Sunday 1,249,107 cases worldwide with 67,999 dead. 256,059 recovered. USA 324,052 infected, 9,132 dead 16,789 recovered. 128,948 Italy with 15,362 dead. 130,759 Spain with 12,418 dead. China 82,602 with 3,333 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 122,056 with 4,159 deaths. New Jersey has 34,124 with 864 deaths. Louisiana has 12,496 with 409 deaths. Texas has 6,872 with 123 deaths. Houston 2,281(+252) with 35 deaths.

April 8, 2020 End of second week of Quarantine in Houston

April 12, 2020 11:19 am. (16hrs) Easter Sunday 1,800,791 (+30,277 average of +75,290 over 2 days) cases worldwide with 110,892 dead 412,777 recovered. USA 530,830 (+4,434 average of 39,862 over 2 days) infected, 20,646 dead 32,314 recovered, 82,809 JH hospitalized, 39,460 (+496) UofM hospitalized. 152,271 (+0) Italy with 19,468 dead. 166,019 (-15,007) Spain with 16,672 dead. China 83,134 with 3,343 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 181,825 (+11,067) with 8,650 deaths, 33,244 hospitalized. New Jersey has 58,151 with 2,183 deaths. California has 22,416 (+710) with 634 deaths. Louisiana has 20,014 (+0) with 806 deaths. Texas has 13,391(+368) with 273 deaths, 1514 hospitalized. Houston 5,289 (+6) with 82 deaths.

April 15, 2020 End of third week of Quarantine in Houston.

April 18, 2020 1:17 pm. ([25 hrs) 2,293,644 (+105,450) cases worldwide with 177,400 dead 583,783 recovered. USA 715,536 (+43,243) infected, 37,625 dead 59,984 recovered, 112,260 (+2,766) JH hospitalized, 40,551 (-1,677) UofM hospitalized. Italy 175,925 (+6,984) with 23,227 dead. Spain 191,726(+6,778) with 20,043 dead. China 83,787 with 4,636 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 235,395 (+11,704) with 17,131 deaths, 52,424 hospitalized. New Jersey has 81,391(+6074) with 4,071 deaths. California has 29,546 (+1,389) with 1,057 deaths. Florida has 25,277 with 741 deaths. Louisiana has 23,584 (+1052) with 1,267 deaths. Texas has 18,288 (+1025) with 462 deaths, 1,522 hospitalized. Houston 6,813 (+312) with 134 deaths.

April 19, 2020 12:46 pm. Sunday (24 hr) 2,367,758 (+74,114 a 30% drop) cases worldwide with 163,134 dead 609,505 recovered. USA 737,319 (+21,783 a 50% drop) infected, 39,135 dead 66,870 recovered, 114,123 (+1,863 a 33% drop) JH hospitalized, 44,117 (+3,566) UofM hospitalized. Italy 178,972 (+3,047 a 54% drop) with 23,227 dead. Spain 195,944(+4,218) with 20,043 dead. China 83,805 with 4,636 dead (is anyone believing this). New York state has 242,570 (+7,175 a 39% drop) with 17,627 deaths, 54,339 hospitalized. New Jersey has 85,464(+4,073) with 4,364 deaths. California has 30,832 (+1,286) with 1,150 deaths. Florida has 25,996 with 764 deaths. Louisiana has 23,580 (-4) with 1,267 deaths. Texas has 18,982 (+694 a 33% drop) with 485 deaths, 1,321 hospitalized (-201). Houston 7,102 (+289 a 7% drop) with 139 deaths.

For detailed information on Texas see https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/ops ... b9cafc8b83 For worldwide information on Covid-19
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
For Covid-19 hospital admissions https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misr ... ng-project
For FOX timeline https://www.foxnews.com/world/timeline- ... us-coverup

Appears to be a real decrease in the number of new cases since yesterday. We can hope.

[Liberty]

Most of us have trouble making sense of a lot of numbers at the same time..


This is a chart of new cases in Texas from March 4th to April 19th.
my website has charts for Harris and Galveston Counties.

[Rafe]

It was big news 15 hours ago that oil had hit $15 a barrel for the 1st time in 21 years. Now it's touched $11 a barrel. The website https://oilprice.com/ is currently timing out due to all the traffic hitting it. The price of oil and the bottom having dropped out of demand globally is the economic double-whammy hitting Texas.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob ... SKBN2221TShttps://www.investors.com/market-trend/ ... tech-rise/

[03Lightningrocks]

It was big news 15 hours ago that oil had hit $15 a barrel for the 1st time in 21 years. Now it's touched $11 a barrel. The website https://oilprice.com/ is currently timing out due to all the traffic hitting it. The price of oil and the bottom having dropped out of demand globally is the economic double-whammy hitting Texas.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob ... SKBN2221TShttps://www.investors.com/market-trend/ ... tech-rise/

Still dropping. It is at 10.05 a barrel now.

[Liberty]

It was big news 15 hours ago that oil had hit $15 a barrel for the 1st time in 21 years. Now it's touched $11 a barrel. The website https://oilprice.com/ is currently timing out due to all the traffic hitting it. The price of oil and the bottom having dropped out of demand globally is the economic double-whammy hitting Texas.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob ... SKBN2221TShttps://www.investors.com/market-trend/ ... tech-rise/

Still dropping. It is at 10.05 a barrel now.

Such a bargain, but nowhere to store it. All the Tanks are full.

[Rafe]

Such a bargain, but nowhere to store it. All the Tanks are full.

Yep. That's what's killing the price today, and the futures for right now. Oil sitting in a tanker; has to be moved; no room at the inn, and the inns with room can say, "Well, howsabout I take it off your hands for $8 a barrel?" A good time to invest in futures if you've got the bucks because demand for oil won't just disappear after COVID-19, but a scary time to be one of the umpteen small & midsize companies in the oil services sector in Texas.

[philip964]

It was big news 15 hours ago that oil had hit $15 a barrel for the 1st time in 21 years. Now it's touched $11 a barrel. The website https://oilprice.com/ is currently timing out due to all the traffic hitting it. The price of oil and the bottom having dropped out of demand globally is the economic double-whammy hitting Texas.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob ... SKBN2221TShttps://www.investors.com/market-trend/ ... tech-rise/

Still dropping. It is at 10.05 a barrel now.

Such a bargain, but nowhere to store it. All the Tanks are full.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/coronav ... s-out.html

Apparently it is for contracts that expire tomorrow. Futures for June are still in $22 range.

https://apple.news/AtDa633LqQzWxRIPCutjvZA

Three pro gun brothers are behind Quarantine protests across the nation.

[srothstein]

A good time to invest in futures if you've got the bucks because demand for oil won't just disappear after COVID-19, but a scary time to be one of the umpteen small & midsize companies in the oil services sector in Texas.

The article I read said it is a bad time to invest in short term (within 90 days) futures, because they are currently selling for less than the spot price right now. Great time to invest in one to two year futures though.

And just so everyone is clear, the price for WTI crude is down to 10/bbl. The price for Brent crude is still in the 22/bbl range. I am not as clear on the differences between the two as I would be if I were investing in them, but I know there are chemical differences between the two. I believe that one is better for gasoline while the other is better for certain other petroleum products though i could be wrong on that.

[Liberty]

And just so everyone is clear, the price for WTI crude is down to 10/bbl. The price for Brent crude is still in the 22/bbl range. I am not as clear on the differences between the two as I would be if I were investing in them, but I know there are chemical differences between the two. I believe that one is better for gasoline while the other is better for certain other petroleum products though i could be wrong on that.

The biggest difference is who is set up to receive it and to process it ... I think Brent is a lighter cleaner (less sulpher) oil, but I'm not too sure