Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand's Gun Control Scheme

[PUCKER]

Saw that coming....

Headline: Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand's Gun Control Scheme

https://reason.com/2019/07/08/noncompli ... ol-scheme/

[EastTexasRancher]

I was just reading this story. Kudos to those brave patriots that hold onto their only form of defense against a tyrannical government.

Ask Mr. Swallow-well how it boosted his presidential bid.

[Lynyrd]

The most telling paragraph in the article to me reads:

"In Australia it is estimated that only about 20% of all banned self-loading rifles have been given up to the authorities," wrote Franz Csaszar, professor of criminology at the University of Vienna, after Australia's 1996 compensated confiscation of firearms following a mass murder in Port Arthur, Tasmania. Csaszar put the number of illegally retained arms in Australia at between two and five million.

Unruly government can reach a point where civil disobedience becomes an obligation.

[jason812]

Its nice to see the citizens of the world finally, maybe catching a clue. It will be interesting to see how the New Zealand government responds.

Sad to say, I bet our elected rulers don't learn that the peasants probably will not comply to a voluntary disarmament law. Just like I bet very, very few bump stocks have been turned in.

[Liberty]

The banners still win. The gun owners go underground, skills deteriorate. Organized training becomes non-existant. The owners still live in fear of being found out. Banning guns is not really about guns, it's about instilling fear and neutering the public Socialism is all about controlling the peasants.

Most people will yield. The Gangster types will go deeper underground, but one by one they will die off or get imprisoned. Once the government disarms their people they never regain those rights as Brazil is finding out.

[chasfm11]

The banners still win. The gun owners go underground, skills deteriorate. Organized training becomes non-existant. The owners still live in fear of being found out. Banning guns is not really about guns, it's about instilling fear and neutering the public Socialism is all about controlling the peasants.

Most people will yield. The Gangster types will go deeper underground, but one by one they will die off or get imprisoned. Once the government disarms their people they never regain those rights as Brazil is finding out.

Don't we have a similar situation in CT with the bans that they passed a few years ago? The initial rhetoric about kicking in doors of violators seemed to disappear and the people who refused to register or turn in their guns and equipment have been driven underground. But the peasants still have the guns and could still use them.

[MaduroBU]

This is why we must oppose registration.

"Gun show loophole"=private transfers. The easy solution is to publish a searchable database of the NICS prohibited list and criminalize the sale of a gun to someone on the list. That's not the Democrat goal.

The goal is prohibiting private transfers, and then "discovering" that you can't enforce that law without registering all guns. The "gun show loophole" is just a cover for registration, which in turn only matters if it precedes confiscation.

[Ike Aramba]

The banners still win. The gun owners go underground, skills deteriorate. Organized training becomes non-existant. The owners still live in fear of being found out. Banning guns is not really about guns, it's about instilling fear and neutering the public

If the colonists hid their guns when King George's men came to confiscate them, there would be no holiday last week.

[philip964]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... rch-attack

Feel good news starts after good day in first gun buyback starts.

There are like 20 of these articles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/13/worl ... -guns.html

This says 240 guns.

It’s a success!!

[GEM-Texas]

Liberty makes a good point. The guns become useless except for a hypothetical 'revolution'.

You cannot compete with them, hunt with them and using it for self-defense will have all sort of risks of jury bias and charges for you as having the gun. You stand the risk of exposure if your ex decides to screw you, your kid babbles at school, a gun friend secretly doesn't like you, there is a fire and the fire folk find it, etc. Maybe the local sheriff is pro but the state troopers may not be and the Feds wouldn't be.

The accessory industry is destroyed. Red dot sights, scopes, all sorts of aftermarket gadgets are kaput.

Thus, it is nice to chortle about having the gun buried in the basement or bragging you will tell the law it fell off your fishing boat. It's just virtue signaling to try to avoid the disaster a ban will be. State bans will increase as states turn purple or rampages lead to moral panics even among so-call gun supports such as Dump the Bump Trump. Will SCOTUS save the day with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh as golden boys- that is an unknown empirical question.Will they even take a case? Will Roberts not go with existing precedent which seems to support the limits in the lower courts, given vagueness of Heller.

So noncompliance isn't anything to be happy about as far as a really positive outcome.

[bagman45]

What's the saying? "When you think it's time to bury your guns, its really time to dig them up".......

[KLB]

It appears noncompliance continues to be a problem. Further, .22 rifles with up to 0-round magazines were exempted from the ban and have therefore skyrocketed in popularity. They are being imported in large numbers.

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/1 ... ns-buying/

Thousands of semi-automatic firearms are being imported to New Zealand so gun owners can re-arm after weapons used in the March 15 Christchurch terror attack were banned.

Gun dealers have responded quickly to sweeping law changes which banned most semi-automatic firearms in April, and have been granted licences to import nearly 7000 semi-automatic rifles which remained permitted.

The number of import permits, issued by police, show firearms owners are keen to replace guns headed to the smelter with .22 calibre semi-automatic “bunny guns”.

[philip964]

https://reason.com/2019/12/04/new-zeala ... onal-info/

Those that complied have their personal information leaked on to the internet, including bank account numbers due to poor police website security.

[crazy2medic]

Government is not eloquence,it is not reason, it is force and like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master!
George Washington.