Nobody but Ilhan Abdullahi Omar

[rotor]

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.

I doubt that.

[Maxwell]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.

I will!

Of course I also abhor stupidity and ignorance...

[philip964]

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/07/70107429 ... s-comments

House passes a watered down version of a resolution that doesn’t name Omar personally.

[Bitter Clinger]

As the Democrats Go Socialist, They Go Anti-Semitic
Jew-hate and socialism have always gone hand in hand.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273078 ... greenfield

Rep. Omar would much rather tap into anti-Semitism and turn the conversation to Israel, then discuss her past sympathy for Islamic terrorists. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez would rather turn the conversation away from why she believed we shouldn’t have gone after Al Qaeda in Afghanistan with a defense of Omar. Jews are a small and controversial minority. That makes them a good target for socialists, national and international, to make it seem as if their extremism only threatens the Jews.

Not the general public.

The division between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is a scam. Anti-Zionism is just a means of attacking American foreign policy by exploiting anti-Semitic stereotypes. Attacking Israel in support of Islamic terrorism allows leftists to use bigotry to shift the argument from our national security to Jewish conspiracies.

Anti-Zionists believe that the terrorists are right and that America, Israel and any nation that resists them deserves to lose. This toxic point of view goes over better with a spoonful of anti-Semitism.

Rep. Omar isn’t just mainstreaming anti-Semitism. She’s mainstreaming anti-Americanism.

But anti-Semitism is also deeply linked to socialism and its ideological stereotypes, the greedy capitalist and the warmongering businessman, inescapably express themselves in the language of anti-Semitism. Rep. Omar didn’t utter new ideas about Jews, but very old ones. And these ideas have nothing to do with Israel. They predate the Jewish State and even an organized Zionist political movement.

The Jew was the classic socialist villain because he showed that free markets can empower individuals. Socialists were obliged to disprove the legitimacy of Jewish entry into the middle class by employing classic anti-Semitic stereotypes. The same problem bedevils today’s socialists who have replaced class with race, but still have to contend with the economic successes of Jews and Asians despite racism.

Jewish success disproves socialism and identity politics. It can only be met with anti-Semitism. And then the very element that disproves socialism instead becomes proof that we desperately need big government to protect us from the Jews. The same rhetoric at the heart of National Socialism is lurking there in the bowels of all socialism, from the New Deal to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

In the realm of foreign policy, Israel’s successful resistance to Islamic terrorism must also be disproven so that the United States and other countries do not decide to adopt it as a model. The same anti-Semitic stereotypes that socialists used to inveigh against the Boer War, WW1 and any conflict in the last century, are once again deployed, this time using anti-Semitism to stigmatize counterterrorism.

[Redneck_Buddha]

[Bitter Clinger]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.

Even better, maybe some House Democrats will cross the aisle and join the Republicans...

[G26ster]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.

Even better, maybe some House Democrats will cross the aisle and join the Republicans...

You're dreaming I'm afraid. The House Democrats voted unanimously for the resolution. Only Republicans dissented (I think for good reason). As a Jew that grew up in NYC in a Democratic family and neighborhood, I have never understood the attraction of the Democrat Party to Jews. Makes no sense at all.

[Redneck_Buddha]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.

Even better, maybe some House Democrats will cross the aisle and join the Republicans...

You're dreaming I'm afraid. The House Democrats voted unanimously for the resolution. Only Republicans dissented (I think for good reason). As a Jew that grew up in NYC in a Democratic family and neighborhood, I have never understood the attraction of the Democrat Party to Jews. Makes no sense at all.

Very complex and deep with ancestral roots as new Ashkenaz immigrants to NYC in the early 20th century. As a Jew you know how fastidiously tradition is passed down.

Russian Jewish immigrants crammed into tenements in the Lower East Side and brutally exploited by the textile factories. This gave rights to worker's rights activism and aligned with Jewish support of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, which cost the Jewish population in the USSR dearly as the 20th century unfolded.

More confounding is how Jews contributed literal blood equity to the Civil Rights movement of the early 60's, and how they have since been betrayed for all their good support and activism. Still blindly supporting the now non-oppressed.

[Bitter Clinger]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.

Even better, maybe some House Democrats will cross the aisle and join the Republicans...

You're dreaming I'm afraid. The House Democrats voted unanimously for the resolution. Only Republicans dissented (I think for good reason). As a Jew that grew up in NYC in a Democratic family and neighborhood, I have never understood the attraction of the Democrat Party to Jews. Makes no sense at all.

Very complex and deep with ancestral roots as new Ashkenaz immigrants to NYC in the early 20th century. As a Jew you know how fastidiously tradition is passed down.

Russian Jewish immigrants crammed into tenements in the Lower East Side and brutally exploited by the textile factories. This gave rights to worker's rights activism and aligned with Jewish support of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, which cost the Jewish population in the USSR dearly as the 20th century unfolded.

More confounding is how Jews contributed literal blood equity to the Civil Rights movement of the early 60's, and how they have since been betrayed for all their good support and activism. Still blindly supporting the now non-oppressed.

And don't forget that we grew up in a markedly different time. My mother, z"l, was a "yellow-dog" Democrat (I attribute this to so many US Jews serving in the military in WWII and Roosevelt ending the war and liberating the death camps) from Massachusetts but in any event, when she spoke, she sounded like Sarah Palin because she had very traditional values. Obviously the Dems today do not share many, if any, traditional values.

One of my best friends went to Harvard Law and became a Hollywood screen writer. But guess what, he was best friends with Andrew Breitbart. Things were not always so leftist but it started with the inculcation of the young, just like it did in Nazi Germany and today in Gaza.

And today, the religiously liberal Jewish Rabbi's preach SJW political activism from the pulpit. This came about due to the RAC, the Reform (political) Action Committee, which has led the Reform Movement (the most liberal denomination from both a ritual and a political standpoint) far astray. We left the largest Reform Temple in Dallas, not because we did not enjoy the services or the egalitarianism but because the Rabbi preached gun control and advocated for Obamacare (as just a few examples) from the pulpit. And it was recently posted 30.06 as well. So I guess we really didn't leave the Movement, it left us. And the liberal arm of Judaism is the largest , comprising about 70% of the US Jewish population. Hhmmmm,just about the same percentage of "Jews" who voted Democrat. The argument then becomes who is a Jew? Too long and too esoteric for this thread.

On top of that, the liberal Jewish Movement attracts politically liberal Jews as well as non-Jews. In fact the last and current Presidents of the local Reform Temple are "Jews by Choice". Why does this matter? Only in that the Conversion process in the liberal denomination tends to treat Judaism as a faith religion only, and not a peoplehood. As a result, IMHO, the traditional values and very important cultural aspects of "the tribe" can easily be overlooked or lost.

We recently joined a Conservative (from a ritual and observance standpoint) Synagogue here in Dallas, it is 30.07 but not 30.06, and the Rabbis preach the Torah (bible), not politics. The congregation is probably 50/50 liberal vs conservative politically, but any political discourse that I have observed has been very measured and respectful and all about the issues - and from a traditional Jewish perspective.

[Redneck_Buddha]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.

Even better, maybe some House Democrats will cross the aisle and join the Republicans...

You're dreaming I'm afraid. The House Democrats voted unanimously for the resolution. Only Republicans dissented (I think for good reason). As a Jew that grew up in NYC in a Democratic family and neighborhood, I have never understood the attraction of the Democrat Party to Jews. Makes no sense at all.

Very complex and deep with ancestral roots as new Ashkenaz immigrants to NYC in the early 20th century. As a Jew you know how fastidiously tradition is passed down.

Russian Jewish immigrants crammed into tenements in the Lower East Side and brutally exploited by the textile factories. This gave rights to worker's rights activism and aligned with Jewish support of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, which cost the Jewish population in the USSR dearly as the 20th century unfolded.

More confounding is how Jews contributed literal blood equity to the Civil Rights movement of the early 60's, and how they have since been betrayed for all their good support and activism. Still blindly supporting the now non-oppressed.

And don't forget that we grew up in a markedly different time. My mother, z"l, was a "yellow-dog" Democrat (I attribute this to so many US Jews serving in the military in WWII and Roosevelt ending the war and liberating the death camps) from Massachusetts but in any event, when she spoke, she sounded like Sarah Palin because she had very traditional values. Obviously the Dems today do not share many, if any, traditional values.

One of my best friends went to Harvard Law and became a Hollywood screen writer. But guess what, he was best friends with Andrew Breitbart. Things were not always so leftist but it started with the inculcation of the young, just like it did in Nazi Germany and today in Gaza.

And today, the religiously liberal Jewish Rabbi's preach SJW political activism from the pulpit. This came about due to the RAC, the Reform Movement (pollical) Action Committee, which has led the Reform Movement (the most liberal denomination from both a ritual and a political standpoint) far astray. We left the largest Reform Temple in Dallas, not because we did not enjoy the services or the egalitarianism but because the Rabbi preached gun control and advocated for Obamacare (as just a few example) from the pulpit. And it was recently posted 30.06 as well. So I guess we really didn't leave the Movement, it left us. And the liberal arm of Judaism is the largest , comprising about 70% of the US Jewish population. Hhmmmm,just about the same percentage of "Jews" who voted Democrat. The argument then becomes who is a Jew? Too long and too esoteric for this thread.

On top of that, the liberal Jewish Movement attracts politically liberal Jews as well as non-Jews. In fact the last and current Presidents of the local Reform Temple are "Jews by Choice". Why does this matter? Only in that the Conversion process in the liberal denomination treats Judaism as a faith religion only, and not a peoplehood. As a result, IMHO, the traditional values and very important cultural aspects of "the tribe" can easily be overlooked or lost.

We recently joined a Conservative (from a ritual and observance standpoint) Synagogue here in Dallas, it is 30.07 but not 30.06, and the Rabbis preach the Torah (bible), not politics. The congregation is probably 50/50 liberal vs conservative politically, but any political discourse that I have observed has been very measured and respectful and all about the issues - and from a traditional Jewish perspective.

Very prescient analysis of past and current factors of liberalism and its hold on the Jewish community.

I grew up in a conservative congregation as well where the only politics discussed were primarily matters of Israel and its relationship with the U.S. We had a great mix of Republicans and Democrats in the congregation, but almost everyone had strong Zionist leanings. The Yom Kippur war started while we were observing Yizkor, and it was all some folks could do to not stop the service to have a freak-out moment.

Also, I keep up with the kids I grew up with in my Hebrew school grade, and I would say 80% turned out to be staunchly conservative in their politics, including me, and about 1/3 married Israelis.

[philip964]

https://nypost.com/2019/03/08/ilhan-oma ... th-murder/

Ilhan Omar “ Obama's a pretty face who got away with murder”

This is on a day when the Dems voted to encourage local governments to allow illegal alien voting.

Michael Berry the radio host former Houston City Councilman has a points system for liberals.

Here is what I vaguely remember.

Male - 0 points
Female - 1 point
Each abortion - 1 point
Muslim - I think 2 points
Person of color - I think 3 points.
Socialist - 2 points

Anyway Omar out ranks Obama so she can say whatever she wants about him. He can’t criticize her.

[philip964]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ilhan- ... al-remarks

In her attempt to stay in the news Omar claims her comments were distorted, so she releases audio of her statements which only confirm her remarks about Obama getting away with murder and Obama’s hope and change were just smoke and mirrors.

Really didn’t realize when I started this thread that Omar would say things I agreed with.

Always nice to find comments I agree with. Don’t forget to watch the Opinion Rhapsody a parody on Queens hit song.

[MaduroBU]

I'll stand up and say that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians concerns me. The Palestinians have not made themselves a very sympathetic group, between atrocious leadership and bring used as an excuse to exterminate Jews by all of Israel's neighbors since 1948. Israel has a unique mandate as an ethno-state (something that we in the West wouldn't tolerate under virtually any other circumstance), but they're also a Western democracy. They're also unqiue in that the religious and political climates of their neighbors put them in a strategic position that we cannot understand in the West. Giving up Golan would put all of Northern Israel (including Tel Aviv) in Syrian artillery range, while giving up the West Bank would make a 9 mile wide strip of land connecting Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. If you live in Texas you think "Who cares?". If you have relatives who remember how they maintained 10:1 kill ratios in wadis along the Golan to save the country, those strategic and tactical considerations are very real. "On Both Banks of the Suez" and "The Heights of Courage" are great reads, but they also put into perspective how close and personal the Yom Kippur war was versus the conflicts that we can recall which all took place an ocean away. The Israeli position toward Palestineans hinges upon an absolute unwillingness to allow them to act as a third column or as a means of cedeing strategically vital territory (e.g. WB or Gaza, particularly with no Sinai buffer).

I think that there are valid criticisms of Israeli policy toward Palestinians, but it's also extremely easy to forget how much history goes into those conflicts. It's also too easy for us to minimize the fear and reactions of a group of people who have faced extermination at least twice in the span of 30 years. You cannot encapsulate the complex decisions in a Twitter post or a Facebook rant, and if you do, it's bound to appear (or maybe actually be) an anti-Semitic trope that does nothing to advance important discussions.

Some of the harshest critics and some of the most ardent defenders of Israeli policies are Jews. That diversity of opinion is supported by a shared understanding that NONE of the opinions voiced are motivated by anti-Semitism. That safety is a necessary precursor to meaningful debates on Israeli policy, and Omar's flippant comments completely undermine it. I don't know if she hates Jews or if she is just a moron, but it is clear that she moved her own aims backward by saying something idiotic.

[Bitter Clinger]

I'll stand up and say that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians concerns me. The Palestinians have not made themselves a very sympathetic group, between atrocious leadership and bring used as an excuse to exterminate Jews by all of Israel's neighbors since 1948. Israel has a unique mandate as an ethno-state (something that we in the West wouldn't tolerate under virtually any other circumstance), but they're also a Western democracy. They're also unqiue in that the religious and political climates of their neighbors put them in a strategic position that we cannot understand in the West. Giving up Golan would put all of Northern Israel (including Tel Aviv) in Syrian artillery range, while giving up the West Bank would make a 9 mile wide strip of land connecting Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. If you live in Texas you think "Who cares?". If you have relatives who remember how they maintained 10:1 kill ratios in wadis along the Golan to save the country, those strategic and tactical considerations are very real. "On Both Banks of the Suez" and "The Heights of Courage" are great reads, but they also put into perspective how close and personal the Yom Kippur war was versus the conflicts that we can recall which all took place an ocean away. The Israeli position toward Palestineans hinges upon an absolute unwillingness to allow them to act as a third column or as a means of cedeing strategically vital territory (e.g. WB or Gaza, particularly with no Sinai buffer).

I think that there are valid criticisms of Israeli policy toward Palestinians, but it's also extremely easy to forget how much history goes into those conflicts. It's also too easy for us to minimize the fear and reactions of a group of people who have faced extermination at least twice in the span of 30 years. You cannot encapsulate the complex decisions in a Twitter post or a Facebook rant, and if you do, it's bound to appear (or maybe actually be) an anti-Semitic trope that does nothing to advance important discussions.

Some of the harshest critics and some of the most ardent defenders of Israeli policies are Jews. That diversity of opinion is supported by a shared understanding that NONE of the opinions voiced are motivated by anti-Semitism. That safety is a necessary precursor to meaningful debates on Israeli policy, and Omar's flippant comments completely undermine it. I don't know if she hates Jews or if she is just a moron, but it is clear that she moved her own aims backward by saying something idiotic.

If one is familiar with the Israeli Army rules of engagement, one would come to realize that they are the most humane fighting force in the world. More than one soldier has given their life in order to prevent the death of an innocent civilian. As far as the "Palestinians" (which BTW is a made up word that came into existence after 1948) who seem to by and large only be able to find unarmed civilians to murder - in a land where everyone serves in the military at one time or another - if these Arabs laid down their weapons (rockets, AK's, knives and homicide vests) tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Jews laid down their arms, there would be only a massacre of another 6 million-plus Jews.

[philip964]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egyptian- ... ling-jews/

Egyptian minister quotes Koran verse on killing Jews.

Many Muslims like most Christians and Jews don’t follow their Holy Books to the letter.