Today in Trump's 1st term as President

[philbo]

The only purpose of holding someone in jail before a trial should be to ensure they show up at trial. It must be based on probable cause to believe he would flee if he were not held. If there is no evidence to suggest he would flee, there should be no bail required. If there is some evidence to suggest it, then I can see requiring enough bail to ensure he will show up (and enough bail is a flexible term based on the assets of the accused and the seriousness of the charge). There should be no other conditions on the release.

I agree that the primary purpose of of bail/bond (and they are 2 different things https://www.justia.com/criminal/bail-bonds/) should be to compel a parties appearance at trial. I disagree that other conditions should be a part of a parties release. The likelihood that the accused will commit further crimes if released has always been a consideration for the court. Otherwise you truly have a catch and release policy that would not act to deter futher crimes by those under indictment.

... for contacting the witnesses based on just rumor or suspicion

This went beyond just speaking to witnesses which is generally allowable. In this case witnesses came forward with evidence that they had been contacted by manafort (or others on his behalf) asking that they withhold evidence and commit perjury in their testimony. The judge found their offers of evidence credible and made the decision to revoke the terms of manafort's release. This was the second time manafort had violated an order of the court, the first being his attempt to publish an op-ed piece for publication using a false name. Manafort was not being punished for the future crime, but for contempt of court in violating the current terms of release. Manafort's current jailing is the result of his own actions.

Our system of bail and pre-trial detention is broken and needs to be fixed.

I agree that the system is in need of repair. The Harris County bail system was recently held unconstitutional by the federal courts. It is not generally the wealthy who have anything to fear from the current system, but the poor and indigent that have suffered the most being held on strict bail conditions for low level misdemeanors.
https://www.courthousenews.com/fifth-ci ... il-system/

Careful, they'll be calling you a liberal next for siding with the ACLU and other left leaning organizations.

[philbo]

50 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List

https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/06/10/ ... tive-list/

No contest, trump has made more than 3,000 false or misleading claims thru May 1, 2018. That's sixty times as many, so I acknowledge that trump has won again. So Much Winning!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... c4f41c9c4b

[03Lightningrocks]

I can live with a few petty exaggerations after spending eight years with felons running Washington. Especially considering that once again we can all be proud to be Americans. It is nice for Americans to once again be winning. Considering that without America and our values, the entire world would be a totalitarian nightmare. Or dream world if one is a leftist radical with a desire to virtue signal.

[Abraham]

03Lightningrocks,

Well said.

[mojo84]

Where were the champions of truth and integrity when Obama was in office? http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/29/oba ... -scandals/

Obama Says ‘I Didn’t Have Scandals.’

[rotor]

50 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List

https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/06/10/ ... tive-list/

No contest, trump has made more than 3,000 false or misleading claims thru May 1, 2018. That's sixty times as many, so I acknowledge that trump has won again. So Much Winning!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... c4f41c9c4b

If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Etc. Obama never lied.

Which part of "it's the economy stupid" do you not understand? What specific act that Trump has pushed do YOU not like.
P.S. I am not calling you stupid, just using the phrase.

[bblhd672]

I sure don't understand those who support gun rights, but have severe cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
How could President Hillary Clinton make you feel better about the right to keep and bear arms?

[dale blanker]

If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Etc. Obama never lied.

In 2009 and again in 2012, PolitiFact rated Obama’s statement Half True, which means the statement is partially correct and partially wrong. While ACA took pains to leave parts of the insurance market alone, some private insurers canceled their plans, or raised rates to force people to switch plans, to avoid meeting some ACA standards.

This reminds me of the movie "The Rainmaker" based on a novel by John Grisham. I don't think it is based on a particular true story but this kind of thing was apparently happening in the healthcare market.

Whatever happened to ACA's grand replacement with universal, low cost healthcare?

[philbo]

Which part of "it's the economy stupid" do you not understand? What specific act that Trump has pushed do YOU not like.
P.S. I am not calling you stupid, just using the phrase.

I find it ironic that you would quote from bill clinton's 1992 campaign to support trump. If you didn't realize, that's where the quote began. If the economy is all that's important, you would have supported bill clinton in 92 and 96? Or obama in 2008 and 2012? The economy showed marked improvements in both cases. If you say no, then why should the economy be the single issue now and not then?
The answer for me has always been that "it's (not) the economy stupid", (just using the phrase) from the 1993 article I remembered that stated why it was more than the economy when bill clinton tried to use that schtick:
https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/p ... stupid.htm

I believe that the economy has always been larger than one person to control, but it will be interesting to see if trump's tariff war can bring the decade long bull run of the stock market to an end. If you believe the only metric should be are you better off now than you were 2 years ago, my reply is that is myopic at best. I'm sure there are pleny of people in China saying that on a daily basis; further, that the same thought was popular in Germany in 1936, Italy in 1925 and the USSR in 1922. Looking at the bottom line is fine for a business, but insufficient for a leader. To quote William F Buckley when he spoke to this issue and about trump specifically, "The greatest deeds of American Presidents — midwifing the new republic; freeing the slaves; harnessing the energies and vision needed to win the Cold War — had little to do with a bottom line"

[philbo]

I sure don't understand those who support gun rights, but have severe cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
How could President Hillary Clinton make you feel better about the right to keep and bear arms?

I sure don't understand those who have severe cases of Sycophantic Trump Disorder can't understand that not supporting trump is equivalent to being a thoughtless supporter of anyone named clinton. At some point you're going to have to let her go as a scapegoat for apologizing for trump's behavior. It's 2018 and she isn't president, but we have lost bump stocks (ok under obama) and gun friendly states like Florida and Vermont have passed gun restrictions that prior to trump's election seemed impossible to conceive. Have you forgotten trumo's ramblings on Feb 27 of this year when he seemed to be on all sides of the debate? He called for hardening schools against attacks and declared himself “a big fan” of the National Rifle Association. And then he put a temporary kibosh on the NRA’s top legislative priority — an expansion of concealed carry rights — and complimented one of the most outspoken gun-control proponents, Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, for having some "very good ideas.", but yeah, I can see how you might not remember that from just a few months ago.

[bbhack]

50 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List

https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/06/10/ ... tive-list/

No contest, trump has made more than 3,000 false or misleading claims thru May 1, 2018. That's sixty times as many, so I acknowledge that trump has won again. So Much Winning!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... c4f41c9c4b

There are so many lies and opinions and figures of speech, the Post is not pants on fire, they are pantless.

"Thirty-four times, the president has wrongly asserted that a border wall was needed to stop the flow of drugs across the southern border, even though the Drug Enforcement Administration says a wall would not limit this illegal trade, as much of it travels through legal borders or under tunnels unaffected by any possible physical barrier."

Absurd. Love the word "much". Fools. No further comment.

"Thirteen times in the past five weeks, Trump has claimed his long-promised border wall is already being built, even though Congress denied him the funding and prohibited the use of prototypes he had viewed with great fanfare."

Sections are being build. Absurd.

etc, etc, etc.

[mojo84]

If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Etc. Obama never lied.

In 2009 and again in 2012, PolitiFact rated Obama’s statement Half True, which means the statement is partially correct and partially wrong. While ACA took pains to leave parts of the insurance market alone, some private insurers canceled their plans, or raised rates to force people to switch plans, to avoid meeting some ACA standards.

This reminds me of the movie "The Rainmaker" based on a novel by John Grisham. I don't think it is based on a particular true story but this kind of thing was apparently happening in the healthcare market.

Whatever happened to ACA's grand replacement with universal, low cost healthcare?

It's obvious you are way under-informed on this issue. I've been in the insurance business over 20 years and I can't tell you the number of people, included, that lost their doctor because the doctors wouldn't put up with the Obamacare headaches.

Tell me how many carriers offer individual PPO health plans in Texas

Now tell me what percentage of doctors participate in HMO networks vs PPO networks. Example- 1 carrier has less than 50% of the number of PPO docs in the HMO networks.

Do you realize there are very few plans in existence today that were in existence the day Obamacare took effect? There are a few group "grandfathered" plans that are still in place but the pricing on those plans are outrageous. Do you realize some carriers redesign their group plans twice a year?

Do you know specifically, not the skewed averages published to manipulate general public opinions, how much insurance rates have increased since Obamacare took effect? Rates were increasing significantly but Obamacare accelerated that dramatically in spite of him promising to reduce premiums by $2000-$2500.

Try to gain some actual evidence instead of relying on liberal talking points.

[03Lightningrocks]

Here is the reality. Americans voted in Donald Trump as president. Many of us held our breath as Odumbell worked hard to destroy the country. He corrupted the FBI, the DOJ and conspired to influence the presidential election. Because of this Americans said... no more socialists ideas.

Unemployment is now at historical lows for blacks and Hispanics. People in America are once again allowed to be proud of our great nation. Trumps basket of deplorable's are growing with each and every day. I enjoy watching left wing radicals shrills as they go down in flames.

Relax and enjoy the ride. Real American values are now going to right this ship that for eight long dark years was lost in the storm.

[bblhd672]

This thread serves no useful function any longer except to divide forum members and cause ill will among us.

[03Lightningrocks]

If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Etc. Obama never lied.

In 2009 and again in 2012, PolitiFact rated Obama’s statement Half True, which means the statement is partially correct and partially wrong. While ACA took pains to leave parts of the insurance market alone, some private insurers canceled their plans, or raised rates to force people to switch plans, to avoid meeting some ACA standards.

This reminds me of the movie "The Rainmaker" based on a novel by John Grisham. I don't think it is based on a particular true story but this kind of thing was apparently happening in the healthcare market.

Whatever happened to ACA's grand replacement with universal, low cost healthcare?

It's obvious you are way under-informed on this issue. I've been in the insurance business over 20 years and I can't tell you the number of people, included, that lost their doctor because the doctors wouldn't put up with the Obamacare headaches.

Tell me how many carriers offer individual PPO health plans in Texas

Now tell me what percentage of doctors participate in HMO networks vs PPO networks. Example- 1 carrier has less than 50% of the number of PPO docs in the HMO networks.

Do you realize there are very few plans in existence today that were in existence the day Obamacare took effect? There are a few group "grandfathered" plans that are still in place but the pricing on those plans are outrageous. Do you realize some carriers redesign their group plans twice a year?

Do you know specifically, not the skewed averages published to manipulate general public opinions, how much insurance rates have increased since Obamacare took effect? Rates were increasing significantly but Obamacare accelerated that dramatically in spite of him promising to reduce premiums by $2000-$2500.

Try to gain some actual evidence instead of relying on liberal talking points.

My company was one of many who were pushed right out of offering health care. 2008 we actually paid for our employees PPO health care through Blue Cross Blue sheild. By 2012 we could no longer afford to have health care due to the crazy increases in price. Good job ObamaCare. That is 14 families that went from having health coverage to 14 families with no health care coverage.