I want to keep my guns.

[bblhd672]

What do you think it means that 90% of Republicans think the mentally ill shouldn't have weapons?

This is my singular argument. We need to get behind this before a whole bunch of junk is going to be forced upon us.

I agree 100%. Those who have been determined to be mentally incompetent and dangerous by health professionals should not be allow to purchase or be in possession of firearms, as well as many other things that could possibly cause death or harm to others in their hands. I can fully support legislation that recognizes the root causes of the problem is not the availability of guns, but the breakdown of society which leaves mentally ill people to walk free and destroy lives.

Just keep in mind, it was the progressive socialists who insisted that the mentally ill be treated less like the mentally ill and more like healthy people. Keep in mind, it was the progressive socialists who have championed the drugging of children who don't color within the lines of their acceptable forms of behavior. Keep in mind it was the progressive socialists who has removed God, discipline and fundamentally sound education from our schools.
We can't continue to go along with their plans.
Or we can give up our guns and hope that these socialists won't be like the ones in Germany, Russia, China, etc.

[Soccerdad1995]

Had that bill gotten enough Republicans to get on board, Obama would have signed it and the Florida school shooter would not have been able to kill 17 last week.

So in reality, the Democratic bill would have saved those children. He would not have had the chance to kill as many with a bolt action rifle.

Yeah, the FBI not being stupid would have saved them too. But the AR15 ban would have saved those children. No doubt in my mind.

My social media is a blaze with ban the AR15, end the second amendment, kick the GOP out in November.

The GOP needs to get a head of this with their own bill. Now.

Phillip, why are you "certain" that this deranged individual could not have gotten his hands on a vehicle and driven that into a crowd of teenagers? Do you honestly believe that no AR15 = no mass killing? If so, I fear it is pointless to have any discussion with you.

[Soccerdad1995]

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nic ... h_year.pdf

Again, the NICS check numbers do not seem to coincide with the chart you provided. June 2016 set a record for the most background checks done in the month of June for any year. 2016 itself had more NICS checks done than any other year in history. 2017 was down slightly from 2016, but only enough to put it at the 2nd highest year in history. Now to be fair, there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the data put out by the FBI.

These statistics represent the number of firearm background checks initiated through the NICS. They do not represent the number of firearms sold.

They're right. Just because a background check is initiated, does not mean a firearm was sold.
A person could change their mind.
A person could be denied by NICS.
Or like many of us on here, a person could have a LTC (or their state equivalent) which meets the guidelines that do not require a background check being done for every firearm purchase.

Either way, an increase in NICS checks tells me that more and more firearms are being purchased. Additionally, there are more people getting their carry licenses.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/22/de ... shows.html

The chart you posted does not coincide with the fact that more people are getting their carry licenses, and more NICS checks are being run. I believe our president might call it "Fake News".

We keep seeing increases in the rate of guns being sold. So unless we have a ton of guns being discarded because they are "used up", the number of guns owned by Americans must be going up, not down. Guns aren't perishable goods. They tend to last a long time. This isn't something like automobiles that have a sub 10 year life.

[Soccerdad1995]

Is everyone here a 'cold dead hands' advocate ?

Yes

Jason, no wife or children ? No other passions or hobbies ? Travel? Anything ?

Really - honestly willing to have a shoot out where the certain result is your death? Regardless of how many you'd take with you ?

Many of us here swore a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same. There is no expiration date on that oath.

I risked everything to defend the Constitution while I was in Iraq. I will do the same again, if necessary, here in the Republic of Texas.

[anygunanywhere]

I've lived 55 years - haven't "needed" a gun yet.

Did you ever stop to think that the fact that so many of us have firearms and hold the 2A in such high regard is the very reason we have not degraded into a socialist heck hole yet?

Your definition of "need" is undoubtedly quite different from mine.

You started this thread about wanting to keep your guns, but so far I have read no commitment to doing what is necessary to keep them. You have stated that you would turn them in.

[TheFriscoKid]

Way too many people here are seeing this as an us - them thing. Lib vs Con. Fox News vs NY Times, etc.

We have an easy out - give up the nut cases and gun rights will be left alone.

Another article trying to make it clear.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... tings.html

Hopefully the smart guys at the NRA will see the writing on the wall.

[Soccerdad1995]

I've lived 55 years - haven't "needed" a gun yet.

Did you ever stop to think that the fact that so many of us have firearms and hold the 2A in such high regard is the very reason we have not degraded into a socialist heck hole yet?

Your definition of "need" is undoubtedly quite different from mine.

You started this thread about wanting to keep your guns, but so far I have read no commitment to doing what is necessary to keep them. You have stated that you would turn them in.

I'm guessing that he "wants" to keep his guns, like he "wants" to keep his television. What the lambs will never understand is that there are some who "want" to keep our freedoms more than we "want" to keep anything else. Including our lives. A lot of folks didn't understand that in 1776, or today. It is human nature to be lazy and scared. That is what tyrants have counted on all throughout history.

[TheFriscoKid]

It is human nature to be lazy and scared. That is what tyrants have counted on all throughout history.

It's not being 'lazy or scared' - it's being strategic.

No one here, no group of people here are capable of winning against the govt. During the revolution it only took a few rifles and a few good men. What is your 5,000 acre hillbilly compound going to do against an army equipped with tanks, blackhawks and warthogs?

It's common sense to live to fight another day. It's also common sense in every day life and in nature.

Although the argument has gotten sidetracked - the main idea is give up worthless concessions like "the mentally ill should have easier access to guns" before much more restrictive regulations are forced upon us.

[clarionite]

It is human nature to be lazy and scared. That is what tyrants have counted on all throughout history.

It's not being 'lazy or scared' - it's being strategic.

No one here, no group of people here are capable of winning against the govt. During the revolution it only took a few rifles and a few good men. What is your 5,000 acre hillbilly compound going to do against an army equipped with tanks, blackhawks and warthogs?

It's common sense to live to fight another day. It's also common sense in every day life and in nature.

Although the argument has gotten sidetracked - the main idea is give up worthless concessions like "the mentally ill should have easier access to guns" before much more restrictive regulations are forced upon us.

Ask the Soviets how long a few hold outs with guns can last against an army. Afghanistan didn't turn out so well for them.

[Soccerdad1995]

It is human nature to be lazy and scared. That is what tyrants have counted on all throughout history.

It's not being 'lazy or scared' - it's being strategic.

No one here, no group of people here are capable of winning against the govt. During the revolution it only took a few rifles and a few good men. What is your 5,000 acre hillbilly compound going to do against an army equipped with tanks, blackhawks and warthogs?

It's common sense to live to fight another day. It's also common sense in every day life and in nature.

Although the argument has gotten sidetracked - the main idea is give up worthless concessions like "the mentally ill should have easier access to guns" before much more restrictive regulations are forced upon us.

Throughout history people have been oppressed. And they inevitably are able to overthrow those who oppress them despite facing superior firepower. Humans are capable of accomplishing the seemingly impossible if they are fully committed to the task.

I take no offense at being called a "hillbilly". Although I think you intended offense with your comment. I'll side with "hillbillies" against liberal elites every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You have stated your point. Most here disagree with you. Why don't you move on and leave us "hillbillies" alone. We will be just fine sitting here bitterly clinging to our guns and our God.

[Flightmare]

It is human nature to be lazy and scared. That is what tyrants have counted on all throughout history.

It's not being 'lazy or scared' - it's being strategic.

No one here, no group of people here are capable of winning against the govt. During the revolution it only took a few rifles and a few good men. What is your 5,000 acre hillbilly compound going to do against an army equipped with tanks, blackhawks and warthogs?

It's common sense to live to fight another day. It's also common sense in every day life and in nature.

Although the argument has gotten sidetracked - the main idea is give up worthless concessions like "the mentally ill should have easier access to guns" before much more restrictive regulations are forced upon us.

Throughout history people have been oppressed. And they inevitably are able to overthrow those who oppress them despite facing superior firepower. Humans are capable of accomplishing the seemingly impossible if they are fully committed to the task.

I take no offense at being called a "hillbilly". Although I think you intended offense with your comment. I'll side with "hillbillies" against liberal elites every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You have stated your point. Most here disagree with you. Why don't you move on and leave us "hillbillies" alone. We will be just fine sitting here bitterly clinging to our guns and our God.

[BBYC]

Jason, no wife or children ? No other passions or hobbies ? Travel? Anything ?

Really - honestly willing to have a shoot out where the certain result is your death?

Excellent questions and ones every EFAD or wanna-be should ask themselves.

[oljames3]

It is human nature to be lazy and scared. That is what tyrants have counted on all throughout history.

It's not being 'lazy or scared' - it's being strategic.

No one here, no group of people here are capable of winning against the govt. During the revolution it only took a few rifles and a few good men. What is your 5,000 acre hillbilly compound going to do against an army equipped with tanks, blackhawks and warthogs?

It's common sense to live to fight another day. It's also common sense in every day life and in nature.

Although the argument has gotten sidetracked - the main idea is give up worthless concessions like "the mentally ill should have easier access to guns" before much more restrictive regulations are forced upon us.

Throughout history people have been oppressed. And they inevitably are able to overthrow those who oppress them despite facing superior firepower. Humans are capable of accomplishing the seemingly impossible if they are fully committed to the task.

I take no offense at being called a "hillbilly". Although I think you intended offense with your comment. I'll side with "hillbillies" against liberal elites every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You have stated your point. Most here disagree with you. Why don't you move on and leave us "hillbillies" alone. We will be just fine sitting here bitterly clinging to our guns and our God.

[DEB]

It is human nature to be lazy and scared. That is what tyrants have counted on all throughout history.

It's not being 'lazy or scared' - it's being strategic.

No one here, no group of people here are capable of winning against the govt. During the revolution it only took a few rifles and a few good men. What is your 5,000 acre hillbilly compound going to do against an army equipped with tanks, blackhawks and warthogs?

It's common sense to live to fight another day. It's also common sense in every day life and in nature.

Although the argument has gotten sidetracked - the main idea is give up worthless concessions like "the mentally ill should have easier access to guns" before much more restrictive regulations are forced upon us.

I don't want to get too sidetracked as well, but with that said, many of us are Veterans and have seen how indigenous peoples have done substantial harm against modern militaries. Now on to the discussion pertaining to "Mentally Ill". It seems to me that being mentally ill often changes according to the political climate at the time. The old Soviet Union used that term to attack people who were against the State, were Christian and/or etc. Some of our so called intelligentsia and others, claim being a Christian is due to mental illness, others claim the same about Homosexuals and etc. So, who would make that mental health determination? PTSD, being a Combat Veteran could also very easily make the list, all it takes is a so-called Mental Health Professional to include it somehow. So, I guess it kind of depends where one stands doesn't it? Should one get a Psychologist to affirm that you are not mentally ill prior to being able to purchase firearms or ammunition and that you will never become unhinged? How often should one get a fitness report? Good luck with all of that. I don't believe any Mental Health professional would sign a document stating that you would never commit a crime with a firearm. That would be like having a Medical Doctor sign a document stating that you will never get a disease. I think we should look at what is causing all of this activity. Was it removing prayer? Was it the feminization of the American Male? Is it mind altering drugs? I don't know. But, I think I know what could be a prevention, and that is an armed presence at these susceptible areas.

[BBYC]

I agree that somebody should not be able to pass a NICS check if they were adjudicated mentally incompetent, and I don't think they should be able to vote or drive a motor vehicle either.