Fox News and Associated Press says Texas is uneasy

[VMI77]

......same quality of vetting the administration plans for the Syrian refugees?

It is really tough the shooter was born and raised in US. Had the same "dumping down" cadering. What goes in one's mind is really tough to discover/monitor/predict.

There was more than one shooter. Not all of them were born in the US. Why do you only select part of the facts to try to make your point?

My comment is in regard to the vetting of refugees. I do not believe it is unreasonable for a sovereign country to be able to vet immigrants and refugees properly before letting them into the country. If it is not possible to vet them properly, then I believe a country has the right to deny entry. Do you agree or disagree with this?


I get and understand not all Muslims are bad people. I don't claim they are.

You are correct and I agree with you. Immigration is a selective process with National Security and adaptability of the immigrant are crucial. But in cass where a widow with 5 children all under 15 are seeking refuge, what do we do?

When I see pictures of the Syrian "refugees", I see very few women and children. The large majority are men in their 20's and 30's. Whether it's a man or woman, they should be able to be properly vetted. If not, they need to find asylum elsewhere. Otherwise, why have a sovereign country with borders? The Syrians need to stand up and fight for their country.

One of the shooters in this latest shooting was a woman. Women shouldn't be exempt and arbitrarily let in either. She even got past the DHS screening process.

Also, let's not forget, this administration now considers women good for all possible combat and has ordered the military to open all combat arms to them. If women can be SEALS and Rangers isn't it sexist and paternalistic to exempt them from consideration as terrorists? Despite our reluctance as conservatives I'm afraid we are forced to accept the wisdom of our president on this matter and consider women refugees to be just at threatening as men. In fact, it may be downright sexist not to consider them even more threatening.

[mojo84]

I started watching The Battle of Algiers last night. After seeing it, I don't buy the poor widow women with kids refugee story. If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend it. It gives some insight into the French colonization of Algeria and the revolt that took place. We see much of what went on then in our country today. However, what we are seeing here is not citizens revolting against a foreign country to end colonization, it's radical Muslim extremist terrorists trying to terrorize and kill American Christians in our own country.

You can watch it on YouTube.

[Richbirdhunter]

I wonder if the San Bernardino shooters wife was vetted in the same way that the Syrian refugees will be vetted ?

[Abraham]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

[Javier730]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

Becca Swanson

[mojo84]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

Becca Swanson

I'm sure there are a lot like her in the military. She looks quick and agile too.

[VMI77]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

The Marine Corp proved it with recent testing but the results were just ignored....regular grunt stuff, not SF.

Are there combat jobs women can do....sure....can they do all of them...even the non-SF jobs...no. I don't think much has changed since I got out of the military....there were and are double standards...or I should say, reduced standards for women in many areas. There is no reason a woman can't be a good or even a superior shot, for example, and the Israelis exploit that ability and use women for marksmanship instruction. Very very few women can ruck 90 to 120 lbs of gear, or load the main gun on an Abrams at the required rate. And that's without even considering the impact of pregnancy on readiness and deployment, or the fact that all any woman who wants to get out of going to combat has to do is get pregnant.

Take note that standards must be "gender neutral." What that means in English is that if women can't meet the existing standard it must be lowered. If they still do it like they did when I was in that doesn't mean lowering standards across the board, it just means lowering the standards applied to women.

[Javier730]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

Becca Swanson

I'm sure there are a lot like her in the military. She looks quick and agile too.

Yup and I bet most men could not bench or squat half of what she does. Sure her kind of power is rare but not all women are "weaker than men" like many say.

Very very few women can ruck 90 to 120 lbs of gear, or load the main gun on an Abrams at the required rate.

Piece of cake for Becca. 551lb bench press and 843lb squat.

[mojo84]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

Becca Swanson

I'm sure there are a lot like her in the military. She looks quick and agile too.

Yup and I bet most men could not bench or squat half of what she does. Sure her kind of power is rare but not all women are "weaker than men" like many say.

Very very few women can ruck 90 to 120 lbs of gear, or load the main gun on an Abrams at the required rate.

Piece of cake for Becca. 551lb bench press and 843lb squat.

There are exceptions to everything. The rules can't or shouldn't be made based on the exceptions. God designed men and women differently. It doesn't mean one is better than the other. It just means each are better suited for certain things.

Your comments come across as if you think since Becca could do it, all women should then be qualified to do it. That does not make sense.

[VMI77]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

Becca Swanson

I'm sure there are a lot like her in the military. She looks quick and agile too.

Yup and I bet most men could not bench or squat half of what she does. Sure her kind of power is rare but not all women are "weaker than men" like many say.

Very very few women can ruck 90 to 120 lbs of gear, or load the main gun on an Abrams at the required rate.

Piece of cake for Becca. 551lb bench press and 843lb squat.

Mojo pretty much said it already but what's your point? As I already pointed out, they're not going to just allow the 1 woman in 1,000 or 10,000 that meet the existing standard...they've been ordered to create "gender neutral" standards.....meaning, lower standards for women wherever required to include them in significant numbers. This is not only bad for the military it's an insult to the few women who could actually meet the standards.

And that still ignores the fact of pregnancy on readiness and the gross inequity that women can escape combat by getting pregnant and some man will have to step up to replace them.

Another thing that is being ignored is the impact on all women in order to satisfy the social justice warriors who couldn't care less about the military or the people in it. There is already a lawsuit in progress, the gist of which is, that if combat positions are open to women, there is no reason why only men have to register for the draft. So the end result of this may be women being drafted. Personally, I'm sick of all the feminist garbage and I have two sons, so I say about time....if women are the same as men, draft them....but my more rational side realizes that as a society drafting women is a bad thing. And the reason the liberals want women in combat has more to do with destroying marriage and family than it does anything to do with "equality."

The "this really exceptional woman" could do it line reminds me of a famous quote of Johnson's about women preaching:

"Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."
from Boswell's Life of Johnson

[Javier730]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

Becca Swanson

I'm sure there are a lot like her in the military. She looks quick and agile too.

Yup and I bet most men could not bench or squat half of what she does. Sure her kind of power is rare but not all women are "weaker than men" like many say.

Very very few women can ruck 90 to 120 lbs of gear, or load the main gun on an Abrams at the required rate.

Piece of cake for Becca. 551lb bench press and 843lb squat.

There are exceptions to everything. The rules can't or shouldn't be made based on the exceptions. God designed men and women differently. It doesn't mean one is better than the other. It just means each are better suited for certain things.

Your comments come across as if you think since Becca could do it, all women should then be qualified to do it. That does not make sense.

Well that is not what I am thinking at all. I am simply stating that there are women who can do the job just as good or even better than men. I know not all women can do it, heck, not all men can do it.

[Javier730]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

Becca Swanson

I'm sure there are a lot like her in the military. She looks quick and agile too.

Yup and I bet most men could not bench or squat half of what she does. Sure her kind of power is rare but not all women are "weaker than men" like many say.

Very very few women can ruck 90 to 120 lbs of gear, or load the main gun on an Abrams at the required rate.

Piece of cake for Becca. 551lb bench press and 843lb squat.

Mojo pretty much said it already but what's your point? As I already pointed out, they're not going to just allow the 1 woman in 1,000 or 10,000 that meet the existing standard...they've been ordered to create "gender neutral" standards.....meaning, lower standards for women wherever required to include them in significant numbers. This is not only bad for the military it's an insult to the few women who could actually meet the standards.

And that still ignores the fact of pregnancy on readiness and the gross inequity that women can escape combat by getting pregnant and some man will have to step up to replace them.

Another thing that is being ignored is the impact on all women in order to satisfy the social justice warriors who couldn't care less about the military or the people in it. There is already a lawsuit in progress, the gist of which is, that if combat positions are open to women, there is no reason why only men have to register for the draft. So the end result of this may be women being drafted. Personally, I'm sick of all the feminist garbage and I have two sons, so I say about time....if women are the same as men, draft them....but my more rational side realizes that as a society drafting women is a bad thing. And the reason the liberals want women in combat has more to do with destroying marriage and family than it does anything to do with "equality."

The "this really exceptional woman" could do it line reminds me of a famous quote of Johnson's about women preaching:

"Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."
from Boswell's Life of Johnson

If physical standards are being lowered in the military, it was probably long before women were allowed in combat. I know plenty of kids who could barely make it through gym class in high school that made it the marines right after graduation. A few of these didn't look like they were in better shape physically when I saw them again.

[mojo84]

Can women do combat "type" work?

Oh yeah.

Think Russian women snipers...Think Israeli women soldiers.

Can they do Special Forces type combat?

No!

Why?

They're not physically built for it.

That's not a slur - They're simply not as strong as men in a multitude of physical ways...

Becca Swanson

I'm sure there are a lot like her in the military. She looks quick and agile too.

Yup and I bet most men could not bench or squat half of what she does. Sure her kind of power is rare but not all women are "weaker than men" like many say.

Very very few women can ruck 90 to 120 lbs of gear, or load the main gun on an Abrams at the required rate.

Piece of cake for Becca. 551lb bench press and 843lb squat.

There are exceptions to everything. The rules can't or shouldn't be made based on the exceptions. God designed men and women differently. It doesn't mean one is better than the other. It just means each are better suited for certain things.

Your comments come across as if you think since Becca could do it, all women should then be qualified to do it. That does not make sense.

Well that is not what I am thinking. I am simply stating that there are women who can do the job just as good or even better than men. I know not all women can do it, heck, not all men can do it.

What percentage of women are anywhere near Becca in strength? I also submit she may not be able to meet all the requirements in spite of her strength. There's much more to it than just strength.

[Abraham]

Javier730,

Were you in the military?

If so, what was your MOS?

Me, I was in the Army Infantry, MOS 11C10, 81mm mortars.

Ever hefted a mortar baseplate?

Very few women could. (It's a heck of a struggle for young, strong guys)

Yes, a very few women could, but not across the board. And, mortars aren't nearly as physically difficult to manhandle as mere ground pounders have to fight with, that is, vanilla Infantry soldiers (MOS11B10) who must ruck grueling, heavy loads for long distances while often under fire.

I do know that many feel compelled to over state what women can physically do. It feels chivalrous to say so, but it's simply not correct to equate the physical strength of women as the equal of men. It defies logic.

Do I sneer at women in the military? No! I admire them, but they cannot physically live up to the demands required of war fighters. Who, by the way, make up only 10% of the military. The other 90% are there in a support capacity.

[Breny414]

Re: the off topic discussion on women in the military...

Free your mind, guys. The women that can hack it and make it in the military, will make it. Sexual dimorphism is still with us, but due to changes in our culture (more women in sports, etc.) that dimorphism is getting smaller, I think. If you look at elite athletes that are women, and there are plenty of them, they would run circles around 99% of men in most endeavors - other than other elite male athletes.

Special Forces are an elite group and there will be elite women able to cut the mustard.