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Re: Some places aren't wasting any time on the 30.07 signs

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mojo84 wrote:
Charlies.Contingency wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
Charlies.Contingency wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
XDgal wrote:What is cruelly ironic is, neither 30.06 or 30.07 have any barring on the carry of long guns. It is still legal to carry those into businesses. They can be asked to leave and if they don't, they will face a trespassing charge, but the signs won't stop them from entering.
XDgal

A regular no firearms sign applies to the carry of rifles into business.
Does a gunbuster have legal grounds for rifles? I'm not aware of it being legal notice.
It's my understanding they do. Why would they not?
I don't recall anything in the penal code, quoting you are trespassing with a firearm if there is a sign saying no guns. Acts just like a place with no signs in regard to open carry of a handgun. If you get notice to leave, then you must leave.
The sign is the notice. Nothing in the penal code says how notice has to be given to non-CHL's or regarding rifles, just that is has to be given. Their wasn't a requirement for a 30.06 and 30.07 sign until the legislature decided there needed to be specific signage that conveyed proper notice.
If you parse through 30.05 I think you will find it is open to interpretation as to how someone "receives notice" under what conditions they aren't allowed to enter a publicly open premises. For premises closed to the public, certain notices are prescribed. Does a circle-slash Beretta mean no long guns? In order for you to get jammed up for a class A, I think the proprietor at least owes you a clear notice. In 1995 the (anti-gun) AG interpreted any sign to be sufficient notice for 30.05, but I am not aware that there was anyone actually prosecuted. And had most local authorities followed common practice at the time a verbal warning or trespass notice usually was required.

I think businesses that want to prohibit all three should follow the lead of Whole Foods and post 3 signs...a (BIG) notice prohibiting firearms AND a 30.06 AND (presumably after 1/1) a 30.07. Then hopefully everyone can follow my lead and not shop there.
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Re: Some places aren't wasting any time on the 30.07 signs

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glockenhand wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good.
Coming to the defense of the person/entity that have caused Texas gun owners problems while issuing veiled insults to those who opposed those destructive tactics demonstrates much more. Don't do it again. Your goal is to stifle criticism of OCT and/or Grisham and that's not going to happen.

Chas.
Charles, I don't know what your overt threat in "Don't do it again" is suppose to mean. I have not done anything wrong. I have worked in corporate security for the past 25 years. While things have definitely changed in that time, most of our thought processes have not. I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians.
Now Charles ( both of you I guess), I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities you've mention. I can however recognize intolerance and around here at least on the surface, it feels rampant. I could be wrong and I hope I am. But never in my life would I dream of speaking to anyone in a manner as those here have done to me.

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re: obamacare, no one likes it it. It is a badly written law that attempts to solve an issue it wasn't designed to solve. However, it was amusing to hear legal gripe about interpreting it. Anyone who voted for it I hold accountable. As I understand it, dems from around Hillary Clinton's time were/are the real architects of it. Obama just penned it.
And just who do you work for? I'd love to know so I know where to not inadvertently spend my money.

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Glockenhand you stated: "I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians."

What type of companies do you provide security for? I cannot understand your logic for wanting "local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians" unarmed for your convenience. Are your officers the only people that can be trusted with a firearm? If so why?

Part of this information is available at the DPS website, the other you can ask Charles Cotton for. Police officers in the State of Texas are 7 times less likely than the general public to commit a crime. People that are Licensed to Carry Handguns in Texas are 17 times less likely than the general public to commit a crime. Why would your want to disarm the most law abiding people in the State. You can also check some of John Lott's information as this statistic holds up for other states as well.
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glockenhand wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good.
Coming to the defense of the person/entity that have caused Texas gun owners problems while issuing veiled insults to those who opposed those destructive tactics demonstrates much more. Don't do it again. Your goal is to stifle criticism of OCT and/or Grisham and that's not going to happen.

Chas.
Charles, I don't know what your overt threat in "Don't do it again" is suppose to mean. I have not done anything wrong. I have worked in corporate security for the past 25 years. While things have definitely changed in that time, most of our thought processes have not. I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians.
Now Charles ( both of you I guess), I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities you've mention. I can however recognize intolerance and around here at least on the surface, it feels rampant. I could be wrong and I hope I am. But never in my life would I dream of speaking to anyone in a manner as those here have done to me.

edit:
re: obamacare, no one likes it it. It is a badly written law that attempts to solve an issue it wasn't designed to solve. However, it was amusing to hear legal gripe about interpreting it. Anyone who voted for it I hold accountable. As I understand it, dems from around Hillary Clinton's time were/are the real architects of it. Obama just penned it.
Before I respond to this post, let me ask you to clarify the statement you made, i.e. "Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good." What is the "something else entirely . . . that is being demonstrated and please explain how it isn't good.

Chas.
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glockenhand wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good.
Coming to the defense of the person/entity that have caused Texas gun owners problems while issuing veiled insults to those who opposed those destructive tactics demonstrates much more. Don't do it again. Your goal is to stifle criticism of OCT and/or Grisham and that's not going to happen.

Chas.
Charles, I don't know what your overt threat in "Don't do it again" is suppose to mean. I have not done anything wrong. I have worked in corporate security for the past 25 years. While things have definitely changed in that time, most of our thought processes have not. I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians.
Now Charles ( both of you I guess), I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities you've mention. I can however recognize intolerance and around here at least on the surface, it feels rampant. I could be wrong and I hope I am. But never in my life would I dream of speaking to anyone in a manner as those here have done to me.

edit:
re: obamacare, no one likes it it. It is a badly written law that attempts to solve an issue it wasn't designed to solve. However, it was amusing to hear legal gripe about interpreting it. Anyone who voted for it I hold accountable. As I understand it, dems from around Hillary Clinton's time were/are the real architects of it. Obama just penned it.
That's great and all but big company people lose sight of the fact that the majority of businesses out there are not large corporations with c-suites, committees, legal and risk management departments. In fact, the large majority of businesses in the United States are classified as small businesses. Therecore, they are far more likely to be swayed and effected by local politics, trends and noise. The view from the large corporate perspective can prove very myopic when trying to view the universe of business.

By the way, based on my time working for and with large corporations, I've seen plenty of poor decisions made in spite of all the c-suite occupants, committees, risk management and legal gurus. I'm not impressed.
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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good.
Coming to the defense of the person/entity that have caused Texas gun owners problems while issuing veiled insults to those who opposed those destructive tactics demonstrates much more. Don't do it again. Your goal is to stifle criticism of OCT and/or Grisham and that's not going to happen.

Chas.
Charles, I don't know what your overt threat in "Don't do it again" is suppose to mean. I have not done anything wrong. I have worked in corporate security for the past 25 years. While things have definitely changed in that time, most of our thought processes have not. I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians.
Now Charles ( both of you I guess), I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities you've mention. I can however recognize intolerance and around here at least on the surface, it feels rampant. I could be wrong and I hope I am. But never in my life would I dream of speaking to anyone in a manner as those here have done to me.

edit:
re: obamacare, no one likes it it. It is a badly written law that attempts to solve an issue it wasn't designed to solve. However, it was amusing to hear legal gripe about interpreting it. Anyone who voted for it I hold accountable. As I understand it, dems from around Hillary Clinton's time were/are the real architects of it. Obama just penned it.
Before I respond to this post, let me ask you to clarify the statement you made, i.e. "Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good." What is the "something else entirely . . . that is being demonstrated and please explain how it isn't good.

Chas.
Well Glockenhand a/k/a Harry Callahan a/k/a [your real name], I had hoped you would answer this question but I wasn't overly optimistic. So now I'll respond to your post.

First, a little history. You joined the Forum under your real name and real email address in April of 2012. Thirty days later, you decided to join under the name Harry Callahan. (One can only wonder why you wanted two registrations.) In August, 2015, Harry Callahan was banned for multiple rule violations and you joined again as Glockenhand on Oct. 19th, just 15 days ago.

So it is interesting that in your above-quoted post, you try very hard to give the impression that you are new to Texas and the Forum. Why would you do that when you've been a Member since 2012? Your post also implies that you just have a passing familiarity with OCT, CJ Grisham and me, but your posts under both Harry Callahan and your real name condemn Grisham/OCT tactics. Why then did you write that " I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities [OCT/Grisham] you've mention [sic]" Now I can understand why you wrote " I have even heard of you Charles. Some is good . . . some not." Banning you as Harry Callahan was not intended or expected to get me on your Christmas card list. But why act like you really knew little about OCT and Grisham? Could it have been to further your attempt to make it look like you are new to Texas and the Forum? I guess you felt that it gave you an air of objectivity.

Let's talk about your work "in corporate security for the past 25 years." You state that you have had offices "in New York, Arizona and now Texas." You explained in great detail your intimate involvement in developing security protocols during the last quarter century. You assured Forum Members that decisions about firearms are strictly about money and that . . . Well, let's look at precisely what you said: "I assure you that local politics do not [play a role in security decisions]. It is a monies game pure and simple." You even stated that your company doesn't want anyone armed on company premises, including off-duty police officers.

I admit that I'm not too good at math, but the numbers don't seem to add up, nor does the job title. According to your profile in multiple locations on the Internet, for the last eight plus years you have been a "senior network administrator" for a concrete company. Now if you were to claim that your corporate security experience pre-dates your work as a network administrator, and that you simply forgot about the last 8+ years, that would mean that you started in that industry around the age of 15. Do you see why I'm having a hard time with the math?

Okay, that's enough. You have been exposed for what you are, all because you decided to include in your post another insult toward Forum Members who didn't agree with your opinion. That got you banned as Harry Callahan, but obviously you didn't care because you would just register again. If you had just stated your opinion, you could have gone on posting under your pen name. Well, you could do so only until you violated Forum Rules again.

I'm going to ban you under this deceptive screen name, but you can respond using the registration under your real name. In spite of your deception, I have shown the courtesy of not disclosing your real name, so you will have to decide which is more important -- staying in the shadows or responding to this post.

If you try to pull this again, then your real name will be used in place of Harry Callahan, Glockenhand and any new registrations you enter. (Of course, they will be labeled [real name]-1, -2, etc.) If you try to claim I'm wrong about your identity, then I'll post the screen shots of your registrations and other information gathered and let everyone connect the dots. It's one thing to disagree and discuss the issue honestly and with civility. Posting under a pen name, rather than your real name under which you are also registered, so you can violate Forum Rules, insult Members and claim credentials you do not possess will get you banned yet again.

Chas.
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Re: Some places aren't wasting any time on the 30.07 signs

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good.
Coming to the defense of the person/entity that have caused Texas gun owners problems while issuing veiled insults to those who opposed those destructive tactics demonstrates much more. Don't do it again. Your goal is to stifle criticism of OCT and/or Grisham and that's not going to happen.

Chas.
Charles, I don't know what your overt threat in "Don't do it again" is suppose to mean. I have not done anything wrong. I have worked in corporate security for the past 25 years. While things have definitely changed in that time, most of our thought processes have not. I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians.
Now Charles ( both of you I guess), I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities you've mention. I can however recognize intolerance and around here at least on the surface, it feels rampant. I could be wrong and I hope I am. But never in my life would I dream of speaking to anyone in a manner as those here have done to me.

edit:
re: obamacare, no one likes it it. It is a badly written law that attempts to solve an issue it wasn't designed to solve. However, it was amusing to hear legal gripe about interpreting it. Anyone who voted for it I hold accountable. As I understand it, dems from around Hillary Clinton's time were/are the real architects of it. Obama just penned it.
Before I respond to this post, let me ask you to clarify the statement you made, i.e. "Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good." What is the "something else entirely . . . that is being demonstrated and please explain how it isn't good.

Chas.
Well Glockenhand a/k/a Harry Callahan a/k/a [your real name], I had hoped you would answer this question but I wasn't overly optimistic. So now I'll respond to your post.

First, a little history. You joined the Forum under your real name and real email address in April of 2012. Thirty days later, you decided to join under the name Harry Callahan. (One can only wonder why you wanted two registrations.) In August, 2015, Harry Callahan was banned for multiple rule violations and you joined again as Glockenhand on Oct. 19th, just 15 days ago.

So it is interesting that in your above-quoted post, you try very hard to give the impression that you are new to Texas and the Forum. Why would you do that when you've been a Member since 2012? Your post also implies that you just have a passing familiarity with OCT, CJ Grisham and me, but your posts under both Harry Callahan and your real name condemn Grisham/OCT tactics. Why then did you write that " I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities [OCT/Grisham] you've mention [sic]" Now I can understand why you wrote " I have even heard of you Charles. Some is good . . . some not." Banning you as Harry Callahan was not intended or expected to get me on your Christmas card list. But why act like you really knew little about OCT and Grisham? Could it have been to further your attempt to make it look like you are new to Texas and the Forum? I guess you felt that it gave you an air of objectivity.

Let's talk about your work "in corporate security for the past 25 years." You state that you have had offices "in New York, Arizona and now Texas." You explained in great detail your intimate involvement in developing security protocols during the last quarter century. You assured Forum Members that decisions about firearms are strictly about money and that . . . Well, let's look at precisely what you said: "I assure you that local politics do not [play a role in security decisions]. It is a monies game pure and simple." You even stated that your company doesn't want anyone armed on company premises, including off-duty police officers.

I admit that I'm not too good at math, but the numbers don't seem to add up, nor does the job title. According to your profile in multiple locations on the Internet, for the last eight plus years you have been a "senior network administrator" for a concrete company. Now if you were to claim that your corporate security experience pre-dates your work as a network administrator, that would mean that you started in that industry around the age of 15. Do you see why I'm having a hard time with the math?

Okay, that's enough. You have been exposed for what you are, all because you decided to include in your post another insult toward Forum Members who didn't agree with your opinion. That got you banned as Harry Callahan, but obviously you didn't care because you would just register again. If you had just stated your opinion, you could have gone on posting under your pen name. Well, you could do so only until you violated Forum Rules again.

I'm going to ban you under this deceptive screen name, but you can respond using the registration under your real name. If spite of your deception, I have shown the courtesy of not disclosing your real name, so you will have to decide which is more important -- staying in the shadows or responding to this post.

If you try to pull this again, then your real name will be used in place of Harry Callahan, Glockenhand and any new registrations you enter. (Of course, they will be labeled [real name]-1, -2, etc.) If you try to claim I'm wrong about your identity, then I'll post the screen shots of your registrations and other information gathered and let everyone connect the dots. It's one thing to disagree and discuss the issue honestly and with civility. Posting under a pen name, rather than your real name under which you are also registered, so you can violate Forum Rules, insult Members and claim credentials you do not possess will get you banned yet again.

Chas.
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Disregarding any other information, help, and laughs I've gotten from the forum. That post right there makes being registered here worthwhile.
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Thank you Charles. Well done.

I've seen a few 30.07 signs pop up here and there and have no doubt that the increased scrutiny and "noise" generated by the OCT crowd during the Legislative session hightened the sensitivities of those that may have been oblivious or simply wanted to pursue a "wait and see" attitude. I haven't noticed a corresponding increase in 30.06 signage as we approach 1/1/16, but fully anticipate it as business owners begin checking into 30.07 signage requirements.

Charles, thanks again for all you do.

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Too many people fall into the 'john gabriel's greater internet theory' - which I won't spell out here (vulgarity).

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
glockenhand wrote:Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good.
Coming to the defense of the person/entity that have caused Texas gun owners problems while issuing veiled insults to those who opposed those destructive tactics demonstrates much more. Don't do it again. Your goal is to stifle criticism of OCT and/or Grisham and that's not going to happen.

Chas.
Charles, I don't know what your overt threat in "Don't do it again" is suppose to mean. I have not done anything wrong. I have worked in corporate security for the past 25 years. While things have definitely changed in that time, most of our thought processes have not. I have officed out of New York, Arizona and now Texas. In each case we follow the same criteria in determining any local or regional site codes we must follow. We begin with federal law, then state and local law. Once that matrix is compiled, legal interprets the code. After that process risk management is consulted. Other variables do come into play as well, but I assure you that local politics do not. It is a monies game pure and simple. I have heard of OCT and/or Grisham. I have even heard of you Charles. Some good...some not. However, I assure you that our decision to post 30.06 & 30.07 at our Texas sites has nothing to do with local issues you've descrived. Truth is, from a risk perspective we don't like anyone that we don't employ to enter our premises with a firearm and that includes local law enforcement (off duty) or armed civilians.
Now Charles ( both of you I guess), I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities you've mention. I can however recognize intolerance and around here at least on the surface, it feels rampant. I could be wrong and I hope I am. But never in my life would I dream of speaking to anyone in a manner as those here have done to me.

edit:
re: obamacare, no one likes it it. It is a badly written law that attempts to solve an issue it wasn't designed to solve. However, it was amusing to hear legal gripe about interpreting it. Anyone who voted for it I hold accountable. As I understand it, dems from around Hillary Clinton's time were/are the real architects of it. Obama just penned it.
Before I respond to this post, let me ask you to clarify the statement you made, i.e. "Blaming a single entity or person demonstrates something else entirely and it ain't good." What is the "something else entirely . . . that is being demonstrated and please explain how it isn't good.

Chas.
Well Glockenhand a/k/a Harry Callahan a/k/a [your real name], I had hoped you would answer this question but I wasn't overly optimistic. So now I'll respond to your post.

First, a little history. You joined the Forum under your real name and real email address in April of 2012. Thirty days later, you decided to join under the name Harry Callahan. (One can only wonder why you wanted two registrations.) In August, 2015, Harry Callahan was banned for multiple rule violations and you joined again as Glockenhand on Oct. 19th, just 15 days ago.

So it is interesting that in your above-quoted post, you try very hard to give the impression that you are new to Texas and the Forum. Why would you do that when you've been a Member since 2012? Your post also implies that you just have a passing familiarity with OCT, CJ Grisham and me, but your posts under both Harry Callahan and your real name condemn Grisham/OCT tactics. Why then did you write that " I don't fully understand the rift between you and the entities [OCT/Grisham] you've mention [sic]" Now I can understand why you wrote " I have even heard of you Charles. Some is good . . . some not." Banning you as Harry Callahan was not intended or expected to get me on your Christmas card list. But why act like you really knew little about OCT and Grisham? Could it have been to further your attempt to make it look like you are new to Texas and the Forum? I guess you felt that it gave you an air of objectivity.

Let's talk about your work "in corporate security for the past 25 years." You state that you have had offices "in New York, Arizona and now Texas." You explained in great detail your intimate involvement in developing security protocols during the last quarter century. You assured Forum Members that decisions about firearms are strictly about money and that . . . Well, let's look at precisely what you said: "I assure you that local politics do not [play a role in security decisions]. It is a monies game pure and simple." You even stated that your company doesn't want anyone armed on company premises, including off-duty police officers.

I admit that I'm not too good at math, but the numbers don't seem to add up, nor does the job title. According to your profile in multiple locations on the Internet, for the last eight plus years you have been a "senior network administrator" for a concrete company. Now if you were to claim that your corporate security experience pre-dates your work as a network administrator, and that you simply forgot about the last 8+ years, that would mean that you started in that industry around the age of 15. Do you see why I'm having a hard time with the math?

Okay, that's enough. You have been exposed for what you are, all because you decided to include in your post another insult toward Forum Members who didn't agree with your opinion. That got you banned as Harry Callahan, but obviously you didn't care because you would just register again. If you had just stated your opinion, you could have gone on posting under your pen name. Well, you could do so only until you violated Forum Rules again.

I'm going to ban you under this deceptive screen name, but you can respond using the registration under your real name. In spite of your deception, I have shown the courtesy of not disclosing your real name, so you will have to decide which is more important -- staying in the shadows or responding to this post.

If you try to pull this again, then your real name will be used in place of Harry Callahan, Glockenhand and any new registrations you enter. (Of course, they will be labeled [real name]-1, -2, etc.) If you try to claim I'm wrong about your identity, then I'll post the screen shots of your registrations and other information gathered and let everyone connect the dots. It's one thing to disagree and discuss the issue honestly and with civility. Posting under a pen name, rather than your real name under which you are also registered, so you can violate Forum Rules, insult Members and claim credentials you do not possess will get you banned yet again.

Chas.
Since he obviously put us together on the same team, since he has yet to respond, and since you obviously obliterated him in this discussion; I will count this as a victory! Even though you did all the work and research, it's a team effort, right? :biggrinjester:

I'm still curious about his motives behind it all, but not curious enough to hope that he responds. Just another mystery I suppose.

Thank you for the awesomeness Chas, I really like the way you wrote all of that. They way it led up to the end, priceless. :thumbs2:
Sent from Iphone: Please IGNORE any grammatical or spelling errors.
ALL of my statements are to be considered opinionated and not factual.
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