Minnesota no longer recognizes Texas CHL

[bowserb]

This just in from [Pre-paid legal service]. Minnesota has removed Texas and Missouri from its list of states whose concealed carry or open carry licenses it accepts. So, if like us, you had been planning a trip down the Great River Road, you've just lost the source and first few hundred miles of the river. For us, that makes it a non starter.

And yes, I did let the Mississippi River Parkway Commission of MN know that we had cancelled a trip with our grandchildren because of this. Minneapolis-St. Paul are not exactly known for their absence of crime, and that would be a major stop on the trip. Federal "Safe passage" doesn't cut it when our grandchildren's safety and security are at stake.
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Bill

[KC5AV]

From the MN DPS page

Four states were removed from the 2014 list
Missouri passed a law in 2014 to allow 19-year-old military personnel and veterans to obtain a permit. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21.
Texas passed a law in 2014 to allow 19-year-old military personnel and veterans to obtain a permit. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21.
Wyoming law gives local sheriffs discretion to issue permits to 18-21-years-olds. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21. In addition Wyoming law does not require permit-holders to demonstrate shooting proficiency. Minnesota law requires training to include shooting proficiency.
Utah law does not require permit-holders to demonstrate shooting proficiency. Minnesota law requires training to include shooting proficiency.

[bowserb]

Thanks KC5AV. That makes sense. I just noticed that Texas does not accept the MN license, either. I had forgotten about the Texas law change. I don't agree with it, but I guess that's my problem. A lot of people get Utah non-resident permits, so I see MN has addressed that one too. With growing crime in Minnesota's major cities, plus the large muslim population, I guess I need to just take that state off my travel list.

[bowserb]

Andy, that sounds logical on its face, but only a minority of people in the armed forces get handgun training. I spent three years and never touched a pistol. Infantry doesn't normally get handgun training, except for officers and others who cannot carry a rifle, plus MP's and pilots of course. And, while someone between 19 and 21 could be active duty, it is unlikely for someone in that age range to be a veteran.

The 1968 federal law (18 U.S.C.), if I'm not mistaken, does not allow sales of handguns to persons under 21 anyway, so the Texas CHL law change seems mostly symbolic. Technically an 18 year old can possess a handgun, but cannot buy one from a dealer...kind of a contradiction, but that's how laws are. A private sale or a gift, I guess, could allow a 19 year old to have a handgun, although all things considered, that's a transaction I'd prefer to not be a party to.

[K5GU]

From the MN DPS page

Four states were removed from the 2014 list
Missouri passed a law in 2014 to allow 19-year-old military personnel and veterans to obtain a permit. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21.
Texas passed a law in 2014 to allow 19-year-old military personnel and veterans to obtain a permit. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21.
Wyoming law gives local sheriffs discretion to issue permits to 18-21-years-olds. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21. In addition Wyoming law does not require permit-holders to demonstrate shooting proficiency. Minnesota law requires training to include shooting proficiency.
Utah law does not require permit-holders to demonstrate shooting proficiency. Minnesota law requires training to include shooting proficiency.

I also saw them refer to this 2014 law in Texas but I can't find any legislation other than the 2005 law that lowered it to 18 years . Does anyone know what the bill was that is referred to here and what legislative session it was?

[G.A. Heath]

From the MN DPS page

Four states were removed from the 2014 list
Missouri passed a law in 2014 to allow 19-year-old military personnel and veterans to obtain a permit. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21.
Texas passed a law in 2014 to allow 19-year-old military personnel and veterans to obtain a permit. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21.
Wyoming law gives local sheriffs discretion to issue permits to 18-21-years-olds. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21. In addition Wyoming law does not require permit-holders to demonstrate shooting proficiency. Minnesota law requires training to include shooting proficiency.
Utah law does not require permit-holders to demonstrate shooting proficiency. Minnesota law requires training to include shooting proficiency.

I also saw them refer to this 2014 law in Texas but I can't find any legislation other than the 2005 law that lowered it to 18 years . Does anyone know what the bill was that is referred to here and what legislative session it was?

Find me any bill from the Texas legislature that was passed in 2014...

[mojo84]

I wonder how many Texas CHLers travel to Minnesota per year? Will this actually effect that many? Not saying I'm not disappointed but curious how many of us actually travel to Minnesota.

[Jumping Frog]

I wonder how many Texas CHLers travel to Minnesota per year? Will this actually effect that many? Not saying I'm not disappointed but curious how many of us actually travel to Minnesota.

I have a sister who moved Minnesota from Florida about 18 months ago. So it is conceivable that I may visit her in the future. In fact, I was invited for Thanksgiving but decided not to go this time.

With almost 20% of Americans moving in any year, we are a very mobile culture.

Of course, if I do visit her I will simply carry using my Ohio CHL. That is a good reason to renew it next time.

[mojo84]

Well, that's two I know of. My barber is in the process of building his retirement home up there. He makes a couple trips a year.

[Jumping Frog]

I repeat my point - if the issue is because Texas allows certain youngsters a break on their age for a CHL because of their military service, then MN could/should simply not recognize THOSE few permits - not the entire state's 800,000 licensees.

For example, the Texas-New Mexico reciprocity agreement has a similar limitations.

The Minnesota issue could be solved by adding just 12 words to a reciprocity agreement. For example, something like:

NOW, THEREFORE, the states do hereby agree as follows:

1. The State of Texas shall give full faith and credit to a valid concealed handgun license issued by the State of Minnesota; and
2. The State of Minnesota shall give full faith and credit to a valid concealed handgun license issued by the State of Texas to a person who is twenty one (21) years of age or older;

[Keith B]

From the MN DPS page

Four states were removed from the 2014 list
Missouri passed a law in 2014 to allow 19-year-old military personnel and veterans to obtain a permit. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21.
Texas passed a law in 2014 to allow 19-year-old military personnel and veterans to obtain a permit. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21.
Wyoming law gives local sheriffs discretion to issue permits to 18-21-years-olds. Minnesota law does not allow issuing permits to anyone under 21. In addition Wyoming law does not require permit-holders to demonstrate shooting proficiency. Minnesota law requires training to include shooting proficiency.
Utah law does not require permit-holders to demonstrate shooting proficiency. Minnesota law requires training to include shooting proficiency.

I also saw them refer to this 2014 law in Texas but I can't find any legislation other than the 2005 law that lowered it to 18 years . Does anyone know what the bill was that is referred to here and what legislative session it was?

Find me any bill from the Texas legislature that was passed in 2014...

And, the Missouri law actually allows ANY qualified person 19 or older to get their license, and 18 if you are in the military. Whoever wrote the summary of the reasons got them incorrect. Still, it is because of these allowances by the states that Minnesota dropped reciprocity with them.

[Keith B]

18-21 yr old youngsters can legally own pistols that were given to them - they just can't buy them from an FFL dealer, but they're quite legal to own.

They can actually legally purchase from an private seller if they so desire. The only restriction on that would be if state law prohibits it.

[Oldgringo]

One of the five contiguous states that we've never been in. Reckon MN will stay on our bucket list indefinitely.