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But in Pakistan, not Texas...

http://www.12newsnow.com/story/28001879 ... shoot-guns

From the article:

Over the past two weeks, the provincial government has launched firearms training workshops for teachers.

Asked by The Associated Press whether she is confident enough to kill a terrorist at her school, 37-year-old teacher Shabnam Tabinda said, "Yes. Whoever kills innocents, God willing, I will shoot them.”

The hope is that the teachers could, at the very least, slow potential attackers until police arrive, government officials told ABC News.

Perhaps, in the near future our leaders (pardon me, while I snicker...) will catch on to this idea...

New to chl, but not teaching. In my opinion teachers carrying on campus is not a good idea. For many reasons. The state of Texas has laws that prevent chl holders from carrying in places that high emotions can overcome common sense. School campus can be and are such places. Secondly it does not often happen but we might have to break up a fight in that event one of the students might gain access to our weapon. Our district already has actual armed police officers on each campus they are and should be the first line of defense against armed intruders. Last and not least the liability that school districts would have to carry would be astronomical. There are more but I think these might suffice. Sincerely

LuvtheU.S. wrote:New to chl, but not teaching. In my opinion teachers carrying on campus is not a good idea. For many reasons. The state of Texas has laws that prevent chl holders from carrying in places that high emotions can overcome common sense. School campus can and are such places. Secondly it does not often happen but we might have to break up a fight in that event one of the students might gain access to our weapon. Our district already has actual armed police officers on each campus they are and should be the first line of defense against armed intruders. Last and not least the liability that school districts would have to carry would be astronomical. There are more but I think these might suffice. Sincerely

My response presumes you are talking about gun in primary and secondary school classrooms. The point you raise about breaking up a fight is legitimate, but I can't say I follow the logic about high emotions in school. I'll agree that some teachers should not carry handguns because they are either unwilling to practice enough to be proficient under what would be demanding circumstances or because they are not emotionally geared to use deadly force. This would be especially stressful if a teacher were called upon to shoot one of their own students or one they know.

You can take some comfort in the fact that there are numerous school districts in Texas that allow teachers and staff to carry handguns and in spite of the sometimes demanding challenges of the classroom, there has not been a single reported incident where the gun was a problem. I think we see the same dynamic we see with CHLs carrying handguns outside the classroom. They are keenly aware of the responsibility that comes with carrying a self-defense handgun and act accordingly.

Welcome to the Forum, we're glad to have you.
Chas.

Hello Mr. Cotton, thank you for welcoming me to the board nice to be here and I am learning quite a bit. As a CHL carrier I am taking responsibility for me and my families protection and if anything, heaven forbid, happens and I need to use my weapon I solely am responsible. I have been led to believe even if justified I can and probably will be sued. If an event occurs on a school campus and the district allows the teachers to carry, the school board, superintendent, can and will be held liable. The media will have a field day, the family of the victim will not just blame and sue the individual carrier for the mistake but the entire school district and probably the State of Texas.

LuvtheU.S. wrote:Hello Mr. Cotton, thank you for welcoming me to the board nice to be here and I am learning quite a bit. As a CHL carrier I am taking responsibility for me and my families protection and if anything, heaven forbid, happens and I need to use my weapon I solely am responsible. I have been led to believe even if justified I can and probably will be sued. If an event occurs on a school campus and the district allows the teachers to carry, the school board, superintendent, can and will be held liable. The media will have a field day, the family of the victim will not just blame and sue the individual carrier for the mistake but the entire school district and probably the State of Texas.

Or the CHL holder could stop a person intent on killing and save the lives of dozens of students. Many districts in Texas have decided to value life greater than the possibility of being sued.

Mr.Jmra I guess you missed my other posts, but there are many reasons why I think that carrying on campus is a bad idea and being sued is just one. I will just chalk it up to a difference of opinion that you believe the districts that don't allow carry do not care as much about human life as you and the districts that do. Sincerely

LuvtheU.S. wrote:Mr.Jmra I guess you missed my other posts, but there are many reasons why I think that carrying on campus is a bad idea and being sued is just one. I will just chalk it up to a difference of opinion that you believe the districts that don't allow carry do not care as much about human life as you and the districts that do. Sincerely

I'm not sure why you believe teaching at a school is so emotionally daunting that it negates a persons ability to control their base instincts. It's not more stressful than dealing with accidents involving children (EMT's, Nurses, Doctors, Social Workers). And it's not more stressful than going through divorce or the loss of anything else you hold dear in your life. But the state doesn't restrict our rights due to those factors. We're given a great deal of trust. I stress this to my students. We're trusted to do the right thing. We're not automatically doubted and treated like children that can't control themselves. It's up to us to live up to the trust that's placed in us. And for the most part, every day hundreds of thousands of us in Texas do. Millions across the USA do. I have faith in most teachers. If I didn't, I wouldn't want them working around my children. I have more fear that they'll impart a socialist agenda (I know of openly socialist teachers) to my children than that they'll physically injure them.

The high emotions I am concerned with are not the teachers its the students and parents. There are higher emotions I believe on a school campus than at any sporting event where 99% of people go to relax and we are not allowed to carry there. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

LuvtheU.S. wrote:The high emotions I am concerned with are not the teachers its the students and parents. There are higher emotions I believe on a school campus than at any sporting event where 99% of people go to relax and we are not allowed to carry there. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I don't agree with the sporting event restrictions either. And hopefully those will be removed soon too.

Students wont' be carrying legally on a campus lower than college. Parents carry off campus dealing with scores of other situations dealing with their children as it is.
You're right that we'll have to agree to disagree, because I can't find any reason to give a blanket ban on a group of people who haven't given reason to not trust them. Especially not a group of people who are trusted in almost all other areas in their life.

Every district is different. The decision should be left up to the district and, by extension, the people within that district. If it doesn't make sense for your district, that's fine, but that's no justification to compel other districts, with different circumstances, to behave as yours does.

Welcome to the forum, adrbe. Glad to have you aboard!

adrbe wrote:Every district city is different. The decision should be left up to the district city and, by extension, the people within that district city . If it doesn't make sense for your district city , that's fine, but that's no justification to compel other districts cities, with different circumstances, to behave as yours does.

Imagine changing the words as I did above, substituting cities for districts. That's the exact reason we have preemption (explained well by T.A.M. here)

I, for one, don't want the individual districts to have preemption. After all, they are government-owned. If a private school wants to say 'no', then that's their choice, but the government employees of the government schools within the state of Texas should adhere to Texas law, and not make it up as they wish for their own situation.

clarionite wrote:

LuvtheU.S. wrote:Mr.Jmra I guess you missed my other posts, but there are many reasons why I think that carrying on campus is a bad idea and being sued is just one. I will just chalk it up to a difference of opinion that you believe the districts that don't allow carry do not care as much about human life as you and the districts that do. Sincerely

I'm not sure why you believe teaching at a school is so emotionally daunting that it negates a persons ability to control their base instincts. It's not more stressful than dealing with accidents involving children (EMT's, Nurses, Doctors, Social Workers). And it's not more stressful than going through divorce or the loss of anything else you hold dear in your life. But the state doesn't restrict our rights due to those factors. We're given a great deal of trust. I stress this to my students. We're trusted to do the right thing. We're not automatically doubted and treated like children that can't control themselves. It's up to us to live up to the trust that's placed in us. And for the most part, every day hundreds of thousands of us in Texas do. Millions across the USA do. I have faith in most teachers. If I didn't, I wouldn't want them working around my children. I have more fear that they'll impart a socialist agenda (I know of openly socialist teachers) to my children than that they'll physically injure them.

I think LuvtheU.S. has a point though probably for a different reason than he does. Even in Texas, a large number of teachers, if not the majority, are liberals. Liberals, as we know, project their lack of self-control on those of us who carry guns, and are afraid, knowing how they'd react to challenging situations (especially ideologically challenging situations), that everyone else would react in the same way. They don't trust themselves with guns so they don't think anyone else can be trusted either. They know if they had a gun and some family member started spouting off about liberal vacuity they might go ballistic, because inside every liberal is an authoritarian waiting to get out. With some rare exceptions (I know some members here like to call themselves liberals even though, really, they're not true modern liberals), I don't think lib/progs can be trusted with firearms either.

OTOH, the modern lib/progs are extremely unlikely to have CHLs, so in reality, it's a fear based on a generalized perception rather than a practical reality.

LuvtheU.S. wrote:The high emotions I am concerned with are not the teachers its the students and parents.

That's a great argument for arming teachers.