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While I haven't left the board yet, I'm thinking about it for the same reason I left the republican party. Why am I thinking of leaving? The same reason I left the republican party. There just isn't much room for right leaning centerists anymore. I feel just a little too liberal for this forum.Sputz wrote:I'm going to be somewhat of a devils advocate but I can understand the way those that have left feel. Talk about killing peace officers confiscating firearms and revolution are the exact extremist views the anti's want to see so they can prove gun owners are unstable. I believe that kind of talk is doing more harm for the cause than good.
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I can't read all posts/threads because I just don't have time. Please post a link to these posts and I'm take care of every one.Sputz wrote:Talk about killing peace officers confiscating firearms and revolution are the exact extremist views the anti's want to see so they can prove gun owners are unstable.
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Why did you feel it's okay to violate Forum Rules by listing your opinions on issues we can't/don't discuss?2firfun50 wrote:While I haven't left the board yet, I'm thinking about it for the same reason I left the republican party. Why am I thinking of leaving? The same reason I left the republican party. There just isn't much room for right leaning centerists anymore. I feel just a little too liberal for this forum.Sputz wrote:I'm going to be somewhat of a devils advocate but I can understand the way those that have left feel. Talk about killing peace officers confiscating firearms and revolution are the exact extremist views the anti's want to see so they can prove gun owners are unstable. I believe that kind of talk is doing more harm for the cause than good.
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1. Fully support 2A, yep
2. Fully support gay rights, yep. Everyone gets equal protection under the law, especially under the tax code.
3. Abortion, don't want to pay for it, don't support it for me or mine, but its a moral issue, not an issue of law.
4. Support diversity, yep.
5. I planned my my long term financial strategy based on the 3 legged stool approach starting years ago as appropriate. You know, personal savings, company pension, and social security. Paid social security, medicare, medicaid since day one of my working life. Over 47 yrs. Now the Tea Party wants to take away one of the legs and allow companies to take away the other.
6. I don't believe any of the Tea party candidates truly support individual rights and freedoms. I haven't heard of one of them making a hard push to repeal the Patriot Act, get rid of the TSA, or disband the DHS.
7. I think local LEOs and DA's may be getting off a little too easy here. As an example, Mr. Cotten states the LEO crime rate is 5 times that of CHLs, but has refused to share the data.
Yep, I'm a little too liberal and don't like "intransigence" people on either side. Had to look that one up, but that door definitely swings both ways.
Abraham wrote:At times, frustration with the "intransigence" of the left has caused a few to leave the board.
If you're one of them, please return.
You'll be welcomed back.
Don't let the left discourage you.
Come back and let your voice be heard.
Liberals aren't stupid about guns. They are wrong, but they aren't stupid.How does my correspondent "know" that his neighbors would murder him if they had guns? He doesn’t. What he was really saying was that if he had a gun, he might murder his neighbors if he had a bad day, or if they took his parking space, or played their stereos too loud. This is an example of what mental health professionals call projection – unconsciously projecting one’s own unacceptable feelings onto other people, so that one doesn’t have to own them.
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Defense mechanisms are normal. All of us use them to some extent, and their use does not imply mental illness. Advocates of victim disarmament may be misguided or uninformed, they may be stupid, or they may be consciously intent on evil, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are "mentally ill".
I've actually used several of the techniques outlined in the article with a good rate of success. Always invite your anti-gun debater to an afternoon at the range.nitrogen wrote:I stopped coming here for a long time for a lot of those reasons.
People are not stupid because you disagree with them.
Proponents of gun control are proponents because they fear something. In order to stop them, you have to figure out what they are afraid of, and attack that fear. This article from JFPO is a great primer of what i am talking about.
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Liberals aren't stupid about guns. They are wrong, but they aren't stupid.How does my correspondent "know" that his neighbors would murder him if they had guns? He doesn’t. What he was really saying was that if he had a gun, he might murder his neighbors if he had a bad day, or if they took his parking space, or played their stereos too loud. This is an example of what mental health professionals call projection – unconsciously projecting one’s own unacceptable feelings onto other people, so that one doesn’t have to own them.
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Defense mechanisms are normal. All of us use them to some extent, and their use does not imply mental illness. Advocates of victim disarmament may be misguided or uninformed, they may be stupid, or they may be consciously intent on evil, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are "mentally ill".
