NFA Item Holders

[APynckel]

How many of you hold NFA regulated items?

I would like to know, because I would like to petition the Texas congress to put BATFE's jurisdiction in check. I want suppressors made in Texas and purchased in Texas, to be regulated by Texas (since that's intrastate commerce, and not interstate). Since we have the most stringent background checks compared to the fed, I would state that this would be an improvement. Also, no $200 federal tax stamp and no waiting 6 months for your paperwork to get documented.

C'mon people, let's get this ball rolling, I need more momentum.

[74novaman]

How many of you hold NFA regulated items?

I would like to know, because I would like to petition the Texas congress to put BATFE's jurisdiction in check. I want suppressors made in Texas and purchased in Texas, to be regulated by Texas (since that's intrastate commerce, and not interstate). Since we have the most stringent background checks compared to the fed, I would state that this would be an improvement. Also, no $200 federal tax stamp and no waiting 6 months for your paperwork to get documented.

C'mon people, let's get this ball rolling, I need more momentum.

Instead of just checking the ATF, how about we petition to have them eradicated as a department entirely?

[APynckel]

How many of you hold NFA regulated items?

I would like to know, because I would like to petition the Texas congress to put BATFE's jurisdiction in check. I want suppressors made in Texas and purchased in Texas, to be regulated by Texas (since that's intrastate commerce, and not interstate). Since we have the most stringent background checks compared to the fed, I would state that this would be an improvement. Also, no $200 federal tax stamp and no waiting 6 months for your paperwork to get documented.

C'mon people, let's get this ball rolling, I need more momentum.

Instead of just checking the ATF, how about we petition to have them eradicated as a department entirely?

baby steps....

Montana has already done this though.

[Hoosier Daddy]

Start with machine guns. At least BATFE allows new suppressors to be manufactured and sold to taxpaying citizens. They haven't allowed that for machine guns in more than 25 years.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

[APynckel]

Start with machine guns. At least BATFE allows new suppressors to be manufactured and sold to taxpaying citizens. They haven't allowed that for machine guns in more than 25 years.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

SHALL not vs SHOULD not.

I 100% completely agree. It's a shame people's ignorance of the english language has allowed the federal gov't to power grab.

[Charles L. Cotton]

State law cannot trump federal law and Montana's law is going to get someone a stint in a federal prison. The Commerce Clause has been so perverted over the years, especially in recent years, that it applies not only to products that have moved in interstate commerce, but also items that impact interstate commerce.

Your heart is in the right place, but even it the bill were to pass, it won't keep the feds from filing federal criminal charges.

Chas.

[APynckel]

State law cannot trump federal law and Montana's law is going to get someone a stint in a federal prison. The Commerce Clause has been so perverted over the years, especially in recent years, that it applies not only to products that have moved in interstate commerce, but also items that impact interstate commerce.

Your heart is in the right place, but even it the bill were to pass, it won't keep the feds from filing federal criminal charges.

Chas.

Then take it to the supreme to make them STATE what interstate commerce's definition is.

And state law DOES trump federal law by the 10th, since intrastate commerce is not a power delegated to the fed by the constitution.

Mr Cotton, the reason why this country is in the heap of poo that it is, is because people who are law abiding citizens won't stand up for what the law actually states, they just lean over a bit and say "yea, that's okay I guess" instead of just plain "NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS!!" It's time we tell the fed that it DOES NOT have these powers.

[Hoosier Daddy]

State law cannot trump federal law and Montana's law is going to get someone a stint in a federal prison. The Commerce Clause has been so perverted over the years, especially in recent years, that it applies not only to products that have moved in interstate commerce, but also items that impact interstate commerce.

Your heart is in the right place, but even it the bill were to pass, it won't keep the feds from filing federal criminal charges.

Chas.

Then take it to the supreme to make them STATE what interstate commerce's definition is.

They already did. Wickard v. Filburn.

All Enemies, Foreign AND Domestic

[Carry-a-Kimber]

Might wanna read this brief as well. US v Stewart

[speedsix]

...I admire your motive, but that which you questioned is not information that needs to be stated on a public forum...

[APynckel]

State law cannot trump federal law and Montana's law is going to get someone a stint in a federal prison. The Commerce Clause has been so perverted over the years, especially in recent years, that it applies not only to products that have moved in interstate commerce, but also items that impact interstate commerce.

Your heart is in the right place, but even it the bill were to pass, it won't keep the feds from filing federal criminal charges.

Chas.

Then take it to the supreme to make them STATE what interstate commerce's definition is.

They already did. Wickard v. Filburn.

All Enemies, Foreign AND Domestic

Buying a suppressor, an enemy, does not make me.

[APynckel]

Might wanna read this brief as well. US v Stewart

That's such a weak argument, that because someone makes something within a state, could change the interstate commerce of that item. The government should only be able to regulate the items that only pass the borders of a state, not the otherwise potential trade across state borders.

That's like saying a company MUST produce a good, because if they slacked off, the federal government wouldn't get the taxes it was due. (entitlement on the federal level)

[Carry-a-Kimber]

Might wanna read this brief as well. US v Stewart

That's such a weak argument, that because someone makes something within a state, could change the interstate commerce of that item. The government should only be able to regulate the items that only pass the borders of a state, not the otherwise potential trade across state borders.

That's like saying a company MUST produce a good, because if they slacked off, the federal government wouldn't get the taxes it was due. (entitlement on the federal level)

Weak argument or not, it has been tried before the Supreme Court and they ruled in favor of the United States.

[Sputz]

Supremacy clause states the constitution and federal law is the supreme law of the land. Although I have NFA items I don't think what you are proposing would get very far.
Sputz

[Charles L. Cotton]

State law cannot trump federal law and Montana's law is going to get someone a stint in a federal prison. The Commerce Clause has been so perverted over the years, especially in recent years, that it applies not only to products that have moved in interstate commerce, but also items that impact interstate commerce.

Your heart is in the right place, but even it the bill were to pass, it won't keep the feds from filing federal criminal charges.

Chas.

Then take it to the supreme to make them STATE what interstate commerce's definition is.

And state law DOES trump federal law by the 10th, since intrastate commerce is not a power delegated to the fed by the constitution.

Mr Cotton, the reason why this country is in the heap of poo that it is, is because people who are law abiding citizens won't stand up for what the law actually states, they just lean over a bit and say "yea, that's okay I guess" instead of just plain "NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS!!" It's time we tell the fed that it DOES NOT have these powers.

It is the U.S. Supreme Court that has perverted the Commerce Clause.

You are passionate about this issue and your interpretation of the 10th Amendment. That's fine. However, you don't want to take any chances yourself. You want Texas to pass a law like Montana so some unsuspecting person can erroneously believe federal law won't apply to an NFA weapon manufactured in Texas. Then you can passionately proclaim the injustice when the other guy goes to a federal prison for ten years.

If you feel this strongly, then you should go to Montana and build an NFA weapon yourself. Don't waste time building something intricate; build a single shot short-barreled shotgun. Then take it to the BATFE office in Helena, drop it on an agent's desk and ask him what he thinks of your handiwork. He will arrest you, you will go to trial and be convicted in federal court, then you can start the appellate process that will take you first to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. When that court upholds your conviction, you can try to get the Supreme Court to hear your case. If it does, you'll be incredibly lucky, but then you can hear the Supreme Court tell you what it has told dozens of other defendants -- the Commerce Clause means just about anything Congress wants it to say. It will also tell you that the 10th Amendment doesn't apply because the Commerce Clause constitutes one of the enumerated powers. Then you can start your ten year sentence in a federal prison. Of course, you could continue to tell us what you believe the Constitution means.

I happen to agree with much of your interpretation, but what you and I believe doesn't matter. What matters is the opinions of at least five of nine U.S. Supreme Court Justices. But if you want to risk someone's freedom, make it your own.

Chas.