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Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:59 pm
by Commander
Should ObamaCare be passed, the Federal Government will be in a position to control every aspect of our lives by simply proclaiming something a health risk. Since some of the Health Organizations already consider "gun violence" a health issue, it is not a stretch of the imagination that the Fed could proclaim that gun ownership is a health risk and either deny health coverage to gun owners or charge significantly high rates to gun owners.
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:28 pm
by mr surveyor
yup!
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:10 pm
by blackdog8200
Seeing as how the congress is willing to pass the bill with out a vote???
This week, Speaker Pelosi and the liberal leadership have rejected a basic principle of our democracy. Under an obscure and Constitutionally questionable procedural rule, the House of Representatives is poised to vote on a package of amendments to the Senate version of the health care bill which passed that chamber on Christmas Eve. Under the rule written by Speaker Pelosi and Rules Committee Chair Slaughter, passage of this amendment would “deem” the Senate version of the health care bill to have passed the House – without an actual vote on the bill. Sen. Culberson.
I certainly wouldn't expect them to respect the constitution! Our only hope is the Supreme Court and that is one heartbeat away from "change."
I fear for the Republic.
Elections have consequences!
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:26 pm
by Kythas
Iowa's governor just signed a bill requiring the Iowa Attorney General to sue the Federal government over the health care bill should it pass. The Virginia legislature has also passed a bill requiring their Attorney General to file suit over the health care bill and it is awaiting their governor's signature.
Also, Mark Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation has also sent notice they will file suit if it's passed.
If this passes, it will be tied up in litigation and, I pray, will be held unconstitutional - especially if they use the smoke and mirrors Pelosi wants to use to pass it without a vote. That violates Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution.
Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
Edit: Now that I think about it, since this bill raises revenue to pay for the health care, and the bill they're wanting to pass originated in the Senate, that would make it unconstitutional also, as all bills which raise revenue must originate in the House.
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:22 pm
by PSLOwner
Sadly, this is not the first time that the bull "deemed as passed" has been used. Both democrats and republicans have used this sham before. Anyone involved in such bull should be voted out of office in the next election.
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:24 pm
by bdickens
Any of them involved in that bull should be tarred and feathered.
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:31 pm
by Kythas
PSLOwner wrote:Sadly, this is not the first time that the bull "deemed as passed" has been used. Both democrats and republicans have used this sham before. Anyone involved in such bull should be voted out of office in the next election.
Yep. Any bill passed by this method, no matter by whom, should be challenged in court.
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:35 pm
by seniorshooteress
IMO Obama can keep his health care bill. IF it is so great then all the members of government should be made to use it as well. But, just like Social Security, they will all say. NO WAY!
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:41 pm
by PSLOwner
seniorshooteress wrote:IMO Obama can keep his health care bill. IF it is so great then all the members of government should be made to use it as well. But, just like Social Security, they will all say. NO WAY!
What kills me is that congressmen have their own health care plan for themselves called Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). Why congress cannot use that as a model for the health care plan for the nation is beyond me.
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:26 pm
by boomerang
PSLOwner wrote:What kills me is that congressmen have their own health care plan for themselves called Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). Why congress cannot use that as a model for the health care plan for the nation is beyond me.
Why Congress can't buy their own insurance on the private market, or pay direct out of pocket if they prefer, is beyond me.
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:53 pm
by marksiwel
Commander wrote:Should ObamaCare be passed, the Federal Government will be in a position to control every aspect of our lives by simply proclaiming something a health risk. Since some of the Health Organizations already consider "gun violence" a health issue, it is not a stretch of the imagination that the Fed could proclaim that gun ownership is a health risk and either deny health coverage to gun owners or charge significantly high rates to gun owners.
Yeah just like in Socialist Canada where they still
Own Guns
Are loosening their gun laws
Still have over weight people
Have looser laws on Pot than the US
Their Beer is stronger
They have less liqour laws than Texas
Also people still smoke tobacco in canada!
Yeah the goverment is cracking down on them
Also they pay less for prescription meds and you can get condone over the counter.
Or lets look at the US where they have Socialist Medicine
Medicare
Medicade
VA Clinics
and a whole mess of Military Hospitals that treat Soldiers and their family's
Yet we are still able to eat Red Meat, drink, and own guns.
Also nevermind that we have a supreme court that is more than likely going to rule in a favor, again, that owning a gun is a protected right.
We also still can drink booze even though its been outlawed before, what happened when they did that again?
Still not sure how they will control ever aspect of our lives
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:20 pm
by boomerang
marksiwel wrote:They have less liqour laws than Texas
How many privately owned liquor stores are in Ontario?
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:38 pm
by marksiwel
boomerang wrote:marksiwel wrote:They have less liqour laws than Texas
How many privately owned liquor stores are in Ontario?
There are none.
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But, there are people trying to get it privatized. Still easier to get a drink there though.
Now try and buy a bottle of wine after midnight (Mon-Fri) Or a bottle of Jack before Noon on Sunday in Texas
Or up untill I moved you had to drive a few towns over to grab beer or wine in Coppell, and had to drive to Dallas to get hard booze.
So when are they going to outlaw booze in Canada? Seems like we Banned booze before Canada.
There was a form of Prohibition in Canada, but there were lots of exemptions.
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:53 pm
by gigag04
(this is slightly tongue in cheek but I thought it was hilarious)
Re: Is ObamaCare a backdoor to Gun Control?
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:04 pm
by boomerang
We looked! Then we saw him
Step in on the mat!
We looked! And we saw him!
The Cat in the Hat!