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Am I messing with anyone, uh no. All I saw in the first link was one questionnaire, did not see all the other information until the last post, hence me thanking someone for posting it.

As a registered independant, I like to see and read all the information available before making up my mind on candidates and issues. I have no more respect for left wing rantings (e.g. "Bush is going to arrest everyone who disagrees with his wire tapping policies") than I do right wing rantings. It's more interesting and fun to discuss actual facts than nonsense. Reagan was the first president I was old enough to vote for and I did not regret that. I voted for Bush Sr. his first time, then Clinton twice, then Bush Jr. once, the finally Obama. I was never more disappointed in my life than when I saw who the democrats trotted out in 2004.... John Kerry. Man, they could not have picked a better example of a liberal, out of touch pinhead. He looks like someone who never drank beer out of a can in his life.

I would love to know what the NRA plans on doing the next two plus years for us.
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Honestly I dont care if our leaders "Drank Beer from a Can" shouldnt we want the Smartest of the Smart to be leading the country? Just makes sense.
I dont care if he seems like someone you could go bowling with, whats his Fiscal Policy, does he have an exit plan out of Iraq ect.
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marksiwel wrote:Honestly I dont care if our leaders "Drank Beer from a Can" shouldnt we want the Smartest of the Smart to be leading the country? Just makes sense.
I dont care if he seems like someone you could go bowling with, whats his Fiscal Policy, does he have an exit plan out of Iraq ect.
Intellectuals normally make terrible leaders.

Presidential examples off the top of my head: Herbert Hoover, Obama.

Edit: When people say "smartest of the smart" I assume they're referring to the intellectual elite (professors, philosophers, etc.) If you're referring to someone with common sense, never mind.
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74novaman wrote:
marksiwel wrote:Honestly I dont care if our leaders "Drank Beer from a Can" shouldnt we want the Smartest of the Smart to be leading the country? Just makes sense.
I dont care if he seems like someone you could go bowling with, whats his Fiscal Policy, does he have an exit plan out of Iraq ect.
Intellectuals normally make terrible leaders.

Presidential examples off the top of my head: Herbert Hoover, Obama.

Edit: When people say "smartest of the smart" I assume they're referring to the intellectual elite (professors, philosophers, etc.) If you're referring to someone with common sense, never mind.
When I mean, Smart, I mean Smart. They have proven themselves to be smart and to use that to their advantage.

But when it comes to Running a Country, I prefer people who know
1. the Law and how it "works" (There is a reason we have so many Lawyers in the government) the law is tricky
2. People who know how to lead people (Thats why you see alot of Military Folks running around)
3. Education helps but I can trade for Business Experience (a self made business man)

But dont rule out people with Education as a background. Theres nothing "wrong" with being a Latte Drinking "elitist". Also where you go to Church or what you do behind closed doors means NOTHING to me.


W. Bush was not an "Average Joe" he was an Ivy League Educated guy from Connecticut who used his Fathers connections to get jobs, influence. If he was your boss you would hate him. He's more Elitist than Hoover
Hoover was a successful Business Man, and an Engineer.
Lincoln was a Trail Lawyer, some say he was the greatest president
Most of the Founding Fathers were Intellectuals (Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson ect) They seemed to be doing a pretty good job, I mean this is still America right and not Canada or Britain.
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marksiwel wrote:When I mean, Smart, I mean Smart. They have proven themselves to be smart and to use that to their advantage.
What do you consider proof?

Personally, I don't care if leaders are "smart" as long as they have the right values and some common sense.
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boomerang wrote:
marksiwel wrote:When I mean, Smart, I mean Smart. They have proven themselves to be smart and to use that to their advantage.
What do you consider proof?

Personally, I don't care if leaders are "smart" as long as they have the right values and some common sense.
Proof?
Point to something you did and say "I did that"

Thats why I dont like Obama, he didnt do anything before being President. He just voted Straight Ticket and did as he was told

Thats why I liked McCain, he can point to things he has done ,Fiance Reform, working with Dems to get things done, being a party leader, doing things that were best for his people even if it upset the Republicans. Also he was a pilot, thats hard.

Values?
Like "Family Values"? Because I dont really care about that. And neither do they, Republicans and Dems both have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar when it comes to that.
I dont care if or where you go to Church,Temple, Synagogue, Teepee. Just tell us what you are going to do.
Honestly too many people will vote for Fools and Crooks because they support their pet Issue based on Moral issues (Abortions, Gay Marriage,Porn, Stem Cells) that they will have little say or effect on (Perry Militarizing the Border, it aint gonna happen).
If a Senator supports Cannibalism but has a brilliant Tax Reform plan, I'll vote for him over the "Family Values" Candidate who goes to 3 churches but has no real plans or ideas.
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PSLOwner wrote:Am I messing with anyone, uh no. All I saw in the first link was one questionnaire, did not see all the other information until the last post, hence me thanking someone for posting it.


There are more links at the lower part of that page with more interesting information. I did not realize you had not clicked on them. Check them out... all kinds of good stuff there. ;-)
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marksiwel wrote:Values?
Like "Family Values"?
You obviously haven't met me.

I refer you to the picture you posted Tuesday afternoon. "rlol"
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Re: Kudos to President Obama

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boomerang wrote:
marksiwel wrote:Values?
Like "Family Values"?
You obviously haven't met me.

I refer you to the picture you posted Tuesday afternoon. "rlol"
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I need to pick up this book, "Intellectuals and Society"

An interview the author, Thomas Sowell had with Investers Business Daily:
IBD: Why shouldn't intellectuals make decisions for the rest of us?

Sowell: Because they don't know as much as the rest of us. It's one of those non sequiturs. They have more average knowledge than the average person in the limited sense in which knowledge is usually spoken of by intellectuals.

But the knowledge that has consequences in the world includes vast amounts of knowledge that I call mundane knowledge and probably no one on earth has 1% of that knowledge. Yet that knowledge is consequential, and it includes knowledge that is in no way intellectually challenging but is nevertheless crucial.

In the book, I mention the example of a pilot coming in for a landing and the control tower notices he hasn't let his landing gear down. I happen to have been on such a plane once. And as we came into land, I noticed the pilot suddenly gunned the motor, took off again, circled back around and this time let down the landing gear. So whenever I'm on a plane and I hear the landing gear go down, I'm very pleased.

IBD: You have a lot of examples of intellectuals "in action" in your book. Does any one stand out more than the others?

Sowell: The one that stands out more in my mind is the promotion of disarmament during the 1930s while Hitler and Japan were arming themselves to the teeth. Disarmament is one of those things that probably no illiterate farmer would believe in. But some of the leading intellectuals, if not most of the leading intellectuals, of the Western democracies pushed that idea throughout the 1930s.

IBD: What do you think of the Obama administration when viewing it through the many concepts laid out in your book?

Sowell: It's very hard to answer that without using language that is totally inappropriate in polite society. But it is quite clear that they believe it is their job to take decisions out of the hands of the voting public.

And there are any number of ways they can do that, including rushing through huge bills faster than anybody can possibly read them, including the congressmen who vote on them.

They made statements during the campaign that are totally the opposite of what they will actually do. One of the more recent examples being the notion that unlike previous administrations they'd be transparent and broadcast the hearings on C-SPAN.

In fact, all of the big decisions are made behind closed doors, in one case locked doors, more so than in previous administrations. They want to supersede the public and put into operation what the anointed think should be done.

This is why I am distrustful of academic elites...he nailed it on the head.

One of my BRILLIANT history professors in college had a terrifying bumper sticker on his office door: "Its too bad all the people who know how to run the country are teaching in the schools."

I liked him as a person and a teacher, but him running anything? :leaving
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marksiwel wrote:I dont care if or where you go to Church,Temple, Synagogue, Teepee. Just tell us what you are going to do.
Honestly too many people will vote for Fools and Crooks because they support their pet Issue based on Moral issues (Abortions, Gay Marriage,Porn, Stem Cells) that they will have little say or effect on (Perry Militarizing the Border, it aint gonna happen).
If a Senator supports Cannibalism but has a brilliant Tax Reform plan, I'll vote for him over the "Family Values" Candidate who goes to 3 churches but has no real plans or ideas.
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marksiwel wrote:Honestly I dont care if our leaders "Drank Beer from a Can" shouldnt we want the Smartest of the Smart to be leading the country? Just makes sense.
I dont care if he seems like someone you could go bowling with, whats his Fiscal Policy, does he have an exit plan out of Iraq ect.

How about an exit plan for getting out of Germany? Korea?
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bdickens wrote:
marksiwel wrote:Honestly I dont care if our leaders "Drank Beer from a Can" shouldnt we want the Smartest of the Smart to be leading the country? Just makes sense.
I dont care if he seems like someone you could go bowling with, whats his Fiscal Policy, does he have an exit plan out of Iraq ect.

How about an exit plan for getting out of Germany? Korea?

I'm not sure WHY we are still in Germany, my sister says if you are an officer and you get stationed over there its kind of a dream gig. Nice houses, good food, better doctors, and you can travel Europe for cheap.
Would I be cool with us leaving? Sure. I just dont think the military WANTS to leave ;-) .

As for Korea, I dont have a problem, we never ended the war there and they are hurting in a bad enough way you will see them try something stupid. our forces there are just there to Hold out until the rest of the Military shows up from Japan.
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03Lightningrocks wrote:
PSLOwner wrote:Am I messing with anyone, uh no. All I saw in the first link was one questionnaire, did not see all the other information until the last post, hence me thanking someone for posting it.


There are more links at the lower part of that page with more interesting information. I did not realize you had not clicked on them. Check them out... all kinds of good stuff there. ;-)

No thanks, you have depressed me enough as it is! :cheers2:

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Yes. Kudos to Obama. http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20100 ... /100229854" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Barack Obama is the best thing that has happened to America in the last 100 years. Truly, he is the savior of America's future. He is the best thing ever.
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