Europe's Jews want guns

[G26ster]

Is it sheer coincidence that many major US politicians who are outspokenly in support of gun control are Jewish? Is it really Jew-bashing to point that out???

Yes

Then pointing out that blacks vote 90% for Democrats is racist, and pointing out that women are not physically as capable as men of doing manual labor tasks is sexist, and now you've entered the bizarro world of political correctness where it's not even possible to discuss issues intelligently, so count me out.

I don't think it is Jew bashing because in my personal experience as a Jew growing up in New York City it was true. I think U.S. Jews tend to have an innate fear or disdain of firearms and push gun control. Perhaps we should say it is true for East and perhaps West coast Jews. I don't understand why they have this "weakness"

I don't think it is bashing either. European Jews and those that immigrated here and their descendants tend to be liberal, certainly not all but most, and liberals tend to be anti-gun. So, IMHO it's not so much a question of ethnicity as it is about social/political beliefs. If that's Jew bashing, then I'm bashing myself.

[BobCat]

I'm tickled silly that there are so many of us here on the TexasCHLForum!

And I think G26ster and rotor are right - being pro-control is more a matter of urban eastern upbringing than religious / ethnic background or anything else.

Not everyone who arrived at Ellis Island kept going into the United States; many stayed in the city and continued to not rock the boat.

I'm going to be quiet now, just went through a bout of self-censorship (characterizing a city as a hive, and urban citizens as drones, is and unfair and repugnant generalization); but here in Texas I know a lot more gun-carrying Jews than anti-gun Jews.

...and if we are talking about Highpower clones, look up the Kareen pistol. It is made in Israel, not sure how many parts interchange with the Highpower, but clearly the Israelis recognized an excellent design and an excellent designer. Imitation and flattery and so forth...

Edited to add: baldeagle I don't think you are bashing, just pointing out something a lot of folks believe. All I want to do is contest the validity of the belief that "most Jews are pro-control", but I don't have numerical data, only glaring exceptions to point out.

[rbwhatever1]

I had to fix an encryption issue for a Jewish lady professor at the college I work at, so she stopped by my desk the other day.

I have pictures of various 1911s and such as my desktop backgrounds and was pleasantly surprised when she went "Oooooh, pretty! I want some of those!" - so we got to chatting about guns, the Holocaust, Iraq, etc, and found we agree on just about everything (she has excellent taste, natch). She wants to live in peace - but is definitely not one who would just walk to the trains, put it that way

Anyone else ever read "The Anti-Gun Male" by Julia Gorin, by any chance?

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Good article. Reminded me of this:

[VoiceofReason]

As long as the right "designated people" can carry arms? Apparently once one loses the basic right to exist, that right is very hard to get back. I for one will not be walking down that road. I may be carried but I will not be walking...




"Rabbi Menachem Margolin…writes: “We hereby ask that gun licensing laws are reviewed with immediate effect to allow designated people in the Jewish communities and institutions to own weapons for the essential protection of their communities, as well as receiving the necessary training to protect their members from potential terror attacks.”
Speaking to Newsweek, Rabbi Margolin added that he believes that “as many people within the Jewish community as possible” should carry weapons.

IMO I wouldn’t get too hung up on the words “to allow designated people in the Jewish communities and institutions to own weapons”.

We have a CHL. We are “designated” or licensed to carry. His statement that “he believes that “as many people within the Jewish community as possible” should carry weapons” strikes me as saying “don’t protect yourselves from terrorism if you don’t want to, but Jews are high on the terrorists list so don’t deny us that right”.

Those people in Europe are victims. They have set themselves up to be victims and are proud of it. If an off duty soldier can be beheaded in front of a crowd in London and the crowd doesn’t do anything to stop it they are sending the terrorists a message.

Some Jews refuse to be helpless victims again.

[baldeagle]

There have always been Jews willing to fight evil. Just as there are Americans who would rather appease evil than stand up to it, there are Jews who are the same way. And just as there are Americans who will die before submitting, there are Jews who are the same way. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend watching the movie Defiance. It's the story of the Bielski brothers, who saved many Jews by building a life for them in the woods and killed Germans when they could. They lived a hard life, but they were free.

[RoyGBiv]

Is it sheer coincidence that many major US politicians who are outspokenly in support of gun control are Jewish? Is it really Jew-bashing to point that out???

Yes

Then pointing out that blacks vote 90% for Democrats is racist, and pointing out that women are not physically as capable as men of doing manual labor tasks is sexist, and now you've entered the bizarro world of political correctness where it's not even possible to discuss issues intelligently, so count me out.

We could go in a different direction and label all the folks wishing to legislate their moral/religious beliefs on us as anti-liberty.... But I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole.

When you start painting with such a broad brush, you need to be careful about what (who in this case) is getting painted.
I don't know any Jews outside of the Northeast that are pro gun-control (unless we're talking about shooting accuracy and not regulation ).
I've lived in many States.... NY, NC, FL, LA, TX... In my first hand experience, not a single Jewish person I've known outside of NY/NJ was anti-gun or anti 2A. At the same time, the majority of non-Jews I know from the NE are also pro-gun-control. That's why they have the politicians and laws they have up there today. Folks in the NE are poisoned from too many years living in the NE political climate. Just like the millions of other folks living in the NE. Groupthink. Just because you can identify a very good historical reason for all Jews to rally against gun control doesn't give credence to the theory that the majority of Jews are pro-gun-control when your only sample set (NE Jews) is so clearly affected by other factors.

If it is indeed true that 90% of blacks vote Democrat, then saying so based on empirical data is not racist.
The whole line of reasoning about Jews and gun control is so completely flawed. All it is is a stereotype.

[BobCat]

AndyC,

Seems like you have good taste too!

A professor... of what? Physics, Economics, Math, Psychology, - not finger-painting I bet!

One of the High Master match rifle shooters at our club teaches Mechanical Engineering at Rice. So the stereotype that all academics are anti-gun has some holes in it, too.

[rbwhatever1]

Good article. Reminded me of this:

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Shamelessly stolen - posted to FB to annoy some anti males I know :)

Ha! Hope it stirs them up nicely.

[BobCat]

Cool, and I appreciate your consideration for her security.

And I'm glad to read of "a number of academic shooting friends"!

[Redneck_Buddha]

Pro-liberty, gun-toting, conservative Jewish patriot with a penchant for the Eastern philosophies checking in here. I've since reconnected with some of the Jewish kids I grew up with and lived in Israel with, and I'm finding that 3 in 4 are at the very least mainstream Republicans and many are also AIPAC activists (a group hated by liberal Jews).

If I EVER feel that Jewish populations in Europe are being singled out for broad, systematic anti-Semetic persecution, then I'll gladly join the mercinary fight to stop it in its tracks, appeasement be darned.

[Bitter Clinger]

How ironic. American Jews are strong supporters of gun control.

American Jews have historically been Democrats since WWII. It goes back to Roosevelt and the defeat of Hitler. If you are a Democrat, you are likely to favor gun control. The Democratic party is losing Jewish support now, thanks to the moronic and treasonous Obama foreign policy that favors Iranian nukes and the Muslim Brotherhood (CAIR in the US) over Jewish and American lives.

Just like any other ethnic and religious group, Jews are hardly monolithic. Jewish Democratic pols stand out in their desire to violate our 2nd Amendment Rights. They are wrong and they are stupid, and they may well be evil.

"RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY IS OBEDIENCE TO GOD". The quote is attributed to Thomas Jefferson. I like to think it originated with the Macabees about 150 years before the time of Jesus.

[cb1000rider]

Part of the problem with a 2-party government is that by being a member of either party, you get lumped in with those party positions.
I'd be shocked to hear that everyone hear is in 100% agreement with Republican positions about everything... Same thing for Democrats.