'If you don't believe in climate change you must be sick'

[The Annoyed Man]

STUDY LINKS CHANGING WINDS TO WARMING IN PACIFIC
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 2-15-40-23
BY JEFF BARNARD
ASSOCIATED PRESS

A new study released Monday found that warming temperatures in Pacific Ocean waters off the coast of North America over the past century closely followed natural changes in the wind, not increases in greenhouse gases related to global warming.

The study compared ocean surface temperatures from 1900 to 2012 to surface air pressure, a stand-in for wind measurements, and found a close match.

"What we found was the somewhat surprising degree to which the winds can explain all the wiggles in the temperature curve," said lead author Jim Johnstone, who did the work while a climatologist at the Joint Institute for the Study of the Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington.

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It was greeted with skepticism by several mainstream climate scientists, who questioned how the authors could claim changes in wind direction and velocity were natural and unrelated to climate change.

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"This may say more about the state of climate modeling than it says about causes of warming in the Pacific Northwest," Ken Caldeira, an atmospheric scientist at the Carnegie Institution for Science's Department of Global Ecology, said in an email.

Mr. Caldeira goes on to challenge the validity of this modeling further, without explaining why we must take his modeling as the gospel.

And herein lies the problem......computer modeling, based on data 100 years old or more. It doesn't matter WHERE you start your data model, there is always older data going back millions of years that will invalidate your model. So whose is right? They can't answer that without throwing in their personal agenda biases.....which are NOT scientific, but rather social/political.....and they want the rest of us to follow policies they recommend based on science which is hazy at best. This is why I persist in calling it junk science......because the conclusions are junk.

[92f-fan]

The 1991 Pinatubo eruption probably spewed more pollutants into the atmosphere in one belch than all of man's internal combustion engines since the 1890's. And we really think that we're in control?
JD

Great example of my view of the issue

Another view might be - lets assume that humans have devastated the environment, and greenhouse worst case scenarios are going to happen sooner than later... How is making the few people in the US and UK pay Carbon Taxes going to fix it ?
Where does that $$ go ? How will it change the impact that China, India and other developing countries are having ?

[anygunanywhere]

The 1991 Pinatubo eruption probably spewed more pollutants into the atmosphere in one belch than all of man's internal combustion engines since the 1890's. And we really think that we're in control?
JD

Great example of my view of the issue

Another view might be - lets assume that humans have devastated the environment, and greenhouse worst case scenarios are going to happen sooner than later... How is making the few people in the US and UK pay Carbon Taxes going to fix it ?
Where does that $$ go ? How will it change the impact that China, India and other developing countries are having ?

Carbon credits are an investment vehicle traded on a market similar to the stock exchange. Elites **cough**ALGORE**cough can also invest in them and drive the cost up. Carbon credits essentially do nothing to reduce CO2 emissions, it just makes those who produce CO2 and must purchase a credit to emit each ton of CO2 as part of a process pass along more cost to guess who? You and me, the consumer. Oh, by the way, China and many other "third world" countries do not have to.

Anygunanywhere

[The Annoyed Man]

We knew this had to be coming.....

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... s-25692995

President Barack Obama is pledging new U.S. help for other nations struggling to address global warming, as heads of state from around the world converge for a major summit on climate change.

Obama will use his speech at a U.N. summit Tuesday to announce plans to sign an executive order requiring the U.S. government to take climate change into account when it spends money overseas to help poorer countries, the White House said. The U.S. will also offer vulnerable communities abroad new tools to address the effects of climate change through science and technology.

The measures join a host of commitments Obama will announce at the summit, where more than 120 world leaders will gather on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly to galvanize support for a global climate treaty to be finalized next year in Paris. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, the summit's host, is expecting leaders to come with specific pledges in hand to mitigate climate change, as a way to show they're serious about ambitious emissions reductions in the treaty.

Great, not only will we give money to people who hate us, thinking that we can buy their favor, but we will also fund their conversion to "Green"........ at a time when we can barely afford to fund our own industrial conversion (what's left of it) to arbitrary standards set by The Great Dictator. And he is going to do it by executive order instead of through Congress.

I hope the traitors in the democrat party understand one thing..... the genie THEY unleashed cannot be put back into the bottle. Sooner or later, "other than democrats" will control both houses of congress, the executive, and the courts; and the system the traitors put into place can also be used against them. There will be such a howling and gnashing of teeth, but I am going to take some bitter satisfaction in telling them whenever the opportunity presents that "THIS SITUATION is the result of YOUR votes. You REVELED triumphant when the precedent was set of using executive orders to bypass the democratic process and enforce your agenda, now drink happily from your own bile." In the meantime, we've turned over sovereignty over our own affairs to Ban Kee Moon. Lovely. Just lovely.

Forum rules prevent me from using the kind of language that accurately describes these cretins.

[anygunanywhere]

The true face of the climate change/ global warming crowd.

Capitalism is the problem, not climate.

Just the facts, ma'am.

http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2014/09/23/cl ... epage=true

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