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Re: Cornyn and McConnell Will Not Back Ted Cruz

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sjfcontrol wrote:
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  1. Republicans don't have a prayer of regaining the Senate any time soon: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/histor ... rtydiv.htm
    113th Congress (2013-2015)
    Majority Party: Democrat (53 seats)
    Minority Party: Republican (45 seats)
    Other Parties: 2 Independents (both caucus with the Democrats)
    Total Seats: 100
    Note: Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) died on June 3, 2013. He was replaced by Jeffrey Chiesa (R-NJ) on June 6, 2013, making the party division 52 Democrats, 46 Republicans, and 2 Independents (who both caucus with the Democrats).
    Republicans would have to gain NINE seats: six seats to make up the deficit between democrats and republicans just to even out at 50%; one more seat to gain a 1 seat edge; plus TWO more seats to offset the two independents who caucus with the democrats.......and that assumes that Senator Jeffrey Chiesa (R-NJ, appointed by Gov. Chris Cristi) can hold onto his seat in 2014, in democrat dominated New Jersey. That ain't gonna happen. Not in one election cycle. MAYBE in 3 or 4 election cycles, but senate terms are 6 years long and by then AHA will have been law of the land for 20 years or more and it will be permanent.........just like social security, medicare, food stamps, welfare, dept of education, and other unconstitutional abominations, as RoyGBiv pointed out earlier. Republican dreams of recapturing the senate are pipe dreams. Nothing more. I am 61 years old, and I cannot imagine the Senate regaining a conservative majority within the remainder of my lifetime.
Not following your math. If "we" currently have 46 seats, and we gain FIVE more (not 9), then we will have 51 seats, and "they" will have 49 (regardless of the division between Dem and Ind). :headscratch
You're right. I did get the math wrong :oops: ........BUT.........I don't see republicans picking up 6 seats either. You think the nation's media will let that happen? You think democrats won't drive illegals (and dead people) to the polls to stop it? We're talking about states which currently have democrat senators. Those states elected Obama. TWICE. What are the odds that they'll elect republicans? Slim and none, and Slim just left town. And what about Chiesa's republican seat in NJ? He's a temporary appointee. In 2014, he has to stand for election (if he wants to keep the job) in a democrat dominated state, whose senior senator is democrat Bob Menendez, chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. (The same Senator Menendez who is accused of having sex with underaged prostitutes in the Dominican Republic.) I can't imagine that Chiesa will be elected. That opens the gap to 7 for republicans to overcome.

I just don't see it happening........and even if it did, I don't see republicans having enough of a majority in both houses to be able to override any presidential vetoes........so nothing changes. In the end, republicans will cave to the progressives in the name of "getting something done." That means that the progressives' agenda to destroy America continues unabated, regardless of who holds power.
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Re: Cornyn and McConnell Will Not Back Ted Cruz

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The Annoyed Man wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
  1. Republicans don't have a prayer of regaining the Senate any time soon: http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/histor ... rtydiv.htm
    113th Congress (2013-2015)
    Majority Party: Democrat (53 seats)
    Minority Party: Republican (45 seats)
    Other Parties: 2 Independents (both caucus with the Democrats)
    Total Seats: 100
    Note: Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) died on June 3, 2013. He was replaced by Jeffrey Chiesa (R-NJ) on June 6, 2013, making the party division 52 Democrats, 46 Republicans, and 2 Independents (who both caucus with the Democrats).
    Republicans would have to gain NINE seats: six seats to make up the deficit between democrats and republicans just to even out at 50%; one more seat to gain a 1 seat edge; plus TWO more seats to offset the two independents who caucus with the democrats.......and that assumes that Senator Jeffrey Chiesa (R-NJ, appointed by Gov. Chris Cristi) can hold onto his seat in 2014, in democrat dominated New Jersey. That ain't gonna happen. Not in one election cycle. MAYBE in 3 or 4 election cycles, but senate terms are 6 years long and by then AHA will have been law of the land for 20 years or more and it will be permanent.........just like social security, medicare, food stamps, welfare, dept of education, and other unconstitutional abominations, as RoyGBiv pointed out earlier. Republican dreams of recapturing the senate are pipe dreams. Nothing more. I am 61 years old, and I cannot imagine the Senate regaining a conservative majority within the remainder of my lifetime.
Not following your math. If "we" currently have 46 seats, and we gain FIVE more (not 9), then we will have 51 seats, and "they" will have 49 (regardless of the division between Dem and Ind). :headscratch
You're right. I did get the math wrong :oops: ........BUT.........I don't see republicans picking up 6 seats either. You think the nation's media will let that happen? You think democrats won't drive illegals (and dead people) to the polls to stop it? We're talking about states which currently have democrat senators. Those states elected Obama. TWICE. What are the odds that they'll elect republicans? Slim and none, and Slim just left town. And what about Chiesa's republican seat in NJ? He's a temporary appointee. In 2014, he has to stand for election (if he wants to keep the job) in a democrat dominated state, whose senior senator is democrat Bob Menendez, chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. (The same Senator Menendez who is accused of having sex with underaged prostitutes in the Dominican Republic.) I can't imagine that Chiesa will be elected. That opens the gap to 7 for republicans to overcome.

I just don't see it happening........and even if it did, I don't see republicans having enough of a majority in both houses to be able to override any presidential vetoes........so nothing changes. In the end, republicans will cave to the progressives in the name of "getting something done." That means that the progressives' agenda to destroy America continues unabated, regardless of who holds power.
Hey! I was just correcting your math. Not arguing that it would come to pass. But then again, we're twice as close as you thought we were. (Or are we half as far away? :headscratch ) :smilelol5:
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Re: Cornyn and McConnell Will Not Back Ted Cruz

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The big issue for me is not that Cruz's message and tactics were doomed, I am sure he knew they were as well as anyone because he is not a stupid man. The big issue is he was elected with the promise of doing everything in his power to stop obamacare from being implemented - and this was an attempt at just that. He has kept his word to the voters who sent him to the Senate and I admire him for that above all else.

It may sway the house to block the Senate version of the spending bill, create a stop gap measure to "keep the government running", and push the Senate to consider a longer term spending bill that does not include funding for obamacare. We will see - but a lot of folks were awakened to the issues and promises were kept, a win/win in my opinion.
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This was probably the last chance to stop Obama care. Senator Cruz has shown how the Republican leadership has developed an attitude of acquiescence and accommodation toward the totalitarians of the democrat party. The Republicans make a lot of noise then do nothing. The next big noisy nothing will be the debt limit debate. The republicans have made a lot of noise about Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the IRS tactics against the Tea Party, the NSA shredding of the 4th and 5th amendments but they have changed nothing. I have heard the RINO mantra of only being in control of one half of one third of the government being used as an excuse for noise and accommodation. It seems to me, however, that being in control of the House gives them tremendous power, the power to say no. Their refusal to use that power has made them irrelevant and allowed the totalitarians to succeed. Senator Cruz was absolutely correct when he compared them to Neville Chamberland.

Since taking back the House, with the aid of the Tea Party, the Republicans have done nothing except to raise taxes. I have considered myself a Libertarian for quite a few years, but have tended to vote Republican for Federal offices. I thought, wrongly I now believe, that it was more important to vote for Republican candidates to oppose the communist in Washington than a candidate who was closer to my philosophical views and had little chance of winning. However, noise and blather doesn't stand in opposition to anything. If Senator Cruz continues to walk the walk, I will vote for him when he stands for reelection. Other than him, I am done with Republicans. My only regret is I can't vote against McCain and McConnell.
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It will be a cold day in Hades before Cornyn gets my vote. Cruz is doing what I voted for him to do. Carrying Cruz.
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I just sent Cornyn an email:

Senator Cornyn:
I have voted Republican since my own Age of Awareness, decades ago. I have voted for you every time your name has appeared on my ballot. I have been very happy with your efforts on our behalf.
Until this week, that is. You chose to not support Ted Cruz in his recent effort. I heard all your reasons for doing so, but to me and many others, it sounded a lot like "going along to get along".
I voted for Cruz, and I contributed to his campaign. We sent Ted to DC to do exactly what he is doing - stand up to the Democrats and give them no quarter. He is doing exactly that, and millions of Texans are cheering for him.
The Democrats have used every dirty trick in the book, and many flatly illegal moves, to advance their agenda. It's time we quit playing nice. It's time YOU got as angry as we are, and go toe-to-toe with the Democrats in the only language they understand. It's not business as usual.
Senator, you need to reflect the anger your constituents feel, or you will lose them come next election. At this point in time, you have lost my vote.

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Rex B wrote:I just sent Cornyn an email:

Senator Cornyn:
I have voted Republican since my own Age of Awareness, decades ago. I have voted for you every time your name has appeared on my ballot. I have been very happy with your efforts on our behalf.
Until this week, that is. You chose to not support Ted Cruz in his recent effort. I heard all your reasons for doing so, but to me and many others, it sounded a lot like "going along to get along".
I voted for Cruz, and I contributed to his campaign. We sent Ted to DC to do exactly what he is doing - stand up to the Democrats and give them no quarter. He is doing exactly that, and millions of Texans are cheering for him.
The Democrats have used every dirty trick in the book, and many flatly illegal moves, to advance their agenda. It's time we quit playing nice. It's time YOU got as angry as we are, and go toe-to-toe with the Democrats in the only language they understand. It's not business as usual.
Senator, you need to reflect the anger your constituents feel, or you will lose them come next election. At this point in time, you have lost my vote.

Get mad, and join the fight!
You need to learn to express your feelings and to not hold back. Tell them how you really feel.

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Rex B wrote:I just sent Cornyn an email:

Senator Cornyn:
I have voted Republican since my own Age of Awareness, decades ago. I have voted for you every time your name has appeared on my ballot. I have been very happy with your efforts on our behalf.
Until this week, that is. You chose to not support Ted Cruz in his recent effort. I heard all your reasons for doing so, but to me and many others, it sounded a lot like "going along to get along".
I voted for Cruz, and I contributed to his campaign. We sent Ted to DC to do exactly what he is doing - stand up to the Democrats and give them no quarter. He is doing exactly that, and millions of Texans are cheering for him.
The Democrats have used every dirty trick in the book, and many flatly illegal moves, to advance their agenda. It's time we quit playing nice. It's time YOU got as angry as we are, and go toe-to-toe with the Democrats in the only language they understand. It's not business as usual.
Senator, you need to reflect the anger your constituents feel, or you will lose them come next election. At this point in time, you have lost my vote.

Get mad, and join the fight!
That was a good letter.
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One victory in this, Obamacare and all its flaws are in the news again and lots of congressmen got a bunch of angry people calling them.

I hope this is a wake up to the GOP old guard types, but I doubt it.
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Rex B wrote:I just sent Cornyn an email:

Senator Cornyn:
I have voted Republican since my own Age of Awareness, decades ago. I have voted for you every time your name has appeared on my ballot. I have been very happy with your efforts on our behalf.
Until this week, that is. You chose to not support Ted Cruz in his recent effort. I heard all your reasons for doing so, but to me and many others, it sounded a lot like "going along to get along".
I voted for Cruz, and I contributed to his campaign. We sent Ted to DC to do exactly what he is doing - stand up to the Democrats and give them no quarter. He is doing exactly that, and millions of Texans are cheering for him.
The Democrats have used every dirty trick in the book, and many flatly illegal moves, to advance their agenda. It's time we quit playing nice. It's time YOU got as angry as we are, and go toe-to-toe with the Democrats in the only language they understand. It's not business as usual.
Senator, you need to reflect the anger your constituents feel, or you will lose them come next election. At this point in time, you have lost my vote.

Get mad, and join the fight!
What did I miss???

I get an email a day from SEN Cornyn's office asking for support in his effort to defund Ocare... So THAT is not what he is "Not backing Sen Cruze on"

What issue is it he has failed to , or has stated he will not back him on?

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The day before yesterday I sent a short email to Sen Cornyn expressing my displeasure at his failure to support Sen Cruz. I assured him that my time and money will be spent in the next election to unseat him. Below is his response I received last night. At least he is trying to be constructive in asking folks to contact these democrats. Take it for what it's worth.
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Nick,

Our best chance to Defund ObamaCare is THIS WEEK.
In the next few days, the Senate will vote on a Continuing Resolution that will prevent a government shutdown and Defund ObamaCare.
But to win, we must convince FIVE Democrats from Red States like Arkansas and Louisiana to vote WITH their constituents by voting AGAINST funding for ObamaCare.

Nick, Republicans are united against ObamaCare. All we need now is FIVE Democrat votes.
This is the best chance we’ve had to Defund ObamaCare since it was forced down the throats of the American people in 2010.
Please help us spread the word and demand that vulnerable Democrats save their constituents - and the rest of America - from this incredibly destructive and unpopular law.
Forward this email to your friends and family and please ask them to do the same.
America must know the truth. Democrats caused this problem, but they still control the U.S. Senate.
We must make them to fix their mistake.

Let them know we’re watching.

For Texas,
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P.S. Help us pressure Red State Democrats to vote with their constituents - and the rest of America - by voting against funding for ObamaCare.
Please forward this email to your friends and family and ask them to tell these Democrats America is watching.
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Diesel42 wrote:The day before yesterday I sent a short email to Sen Cornyn expressing my displeasure at his failure to support Sen Cruz. I assured him that my time and money will be spent in the next election to unseat him. Below is his response I received last night. At least he is trying to be constructive in asking folks to contact these democrats. Take it for what it's worth.
Nick

Nick,

Our best chance to Defund ObamaCare is THIS WEEK.
In the next few days, the Senate will vote on a Continuing Resolution that will prevent a government shutdown and Defund ObamaCare.
But to win, we must convince FIVE Democrats from Red States like Arkansas and Louisiana to vote WITH their constituents by voting AGAINST funding for ObamaCare.

Nick, Republicans are united against ObamaCare. All we need now is FIVE Democrat votes.
This is the best chance we’ve had to Defund ObamaCare since it was forced down the throats of the American people in 2010.
Please help us spread the word and demand that vulnerable Democrats save their constituents - and the rest of America - from this incredibly destructive and unpopular law.
Forward this email to your friends and family and please ask them to do the same.
America must know the truth. Democrats caused this problem, but they still control the U.S. Senate.
We must make them to fix their mistake.

Let them know we’re watching.

For Texas,
Senator John Cornyn

P.S. Help us pressure Red State Democrats to vote with their constituents - and the rest of America - by voting against funding for ObamaCare.
Please forward this email to your friends and family and ask them to tell these Democrats America is watching.
I like the call to action against red state Democrats, but if it was not for Ted Cruz this would not even be possible. Cruz is the fist in the fight, Cornyn seems to want to be the tactician, or at least wants to look that way now. Not sure I believe this was the Senior Senator’s goal from the start, but I respect his efforts now.
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The Hill article. :???:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... onsensical" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How far is Gov. Perry going to move to the middle to be ready for 2016 ? :shock:

Rick Perry says we need to “fix” Obamacare, not defund it

http://therightscoop.com/rick-perry-say ... defund-it/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Here are the headlines on Drudge at this very moment:
And beneath that, in position of prominence, center page:
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POLITICS 'HAVE REACHED CIVIL WAR LEVELS'

The comments on the link at the bottom of the picture are particularly revealing. The National Journal is a notoriously LIBERAL publication. ALL of the comments are from conservatives expressing great anger at Senator Harkin in particular, and the Senate and Obama generally. I did not see one single comment from a liberal.............on a liberal publication.....

I understand what Cornyn is trying to accomplish here. I really do. BUT..... what he is trying to accomplish only works in a stable environment in which the parties cooperate and understand quid pro quo. We are WELL beyond that point in national politics. "Progressives" (my term for socialists, liberals, commies, and other varieties of nazis) have pushed us as far as we are willing to be pushed without rising up against them. "Congressives" (my term for anyone who opposes progressivism) are unwilling to be pushed any further because to do so would fundamentally change the USA into a completely different sort of nation. We really ARE at the breaking point. Either progressives have to back off (which they won't, because they are not governed by the norms of morality), or congressives have to back down (which they better not or we will have crossed the irreversible divide).

Ted Cruz recognizes this. Cornyn does not. Obamacare is the proverbial "last straw." It might have been any other issue of minimal import, and republicans would have caved (again) just to keep the peace (because progressives don't give a hang about peace; they only care about results). But Obamacare is such a massive issue that it can't possibly be swept under the rug. The American people, on either side of the argument, simply won't stand for that. And nationally, even the most optimistic polls show 52% of Americans opposing Obamacare. Add to that the fact that Congress has voted itself an exemption from it......with the aiding and abetting of Obama himself, who apparently doesn't think that his signature "accomplishment" is good enough for Congress.......and the American people—at the minimum 52%, and in all likelihood a much greater number than that—are ready to go all the way to the mat, biting, scratching, gouging, kicking, and spitting, to kill this thing..........EVEN IF it means throwing the nation into brink of civil war.

THAT's how much voters care about this. Any republican who soft-pedals and tries to maneuver around this thing and "negotiate" over it is simply setting himself up to be run over in 2014. Cornyn and men and women like him honestly believe themselves to be virtuous traders in how to get things done, and I believe that they are honestly virtuous. But they don't realize that we are well PAST doing things that way anymore, because all it does is result in more progressive gains and congressive losses.

Me personally? I'm like the guy who has been afraid of a fight for a long time because he's been afraid of getting hurt, but has also been afraid for a long time of what the future will hold if he knuckles under and doesn't fight; and who is now so angry at what has become history because of the fear of fighting that he now welcome's the fight because even getting hurt feels better than living in fear of what might happen if he doesn't fight.

I'm guessing that I am far from the only American who feels that angry, dispossessed, and disenfranchised by his own government.

Progressives are like sharks. They eat, swim, and make baby sharks. ALL of them make the nation's political sea a dangerous place to swim because they are NEVER not hungry. I know what to do about sharks. The laws may prevent it now, but when there is no more law.......... And that is why the progressive inability to believe in a nation of laws and not men is at its heart so illogical. When pressed to its ultimate expression, it leads to their own demise.
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:iagree: As usual, TAM expresses my thoughts better than I.
The "progressives" are involved in a multi-generational gunfight for the future of our world. John Cornyn thinks a knife will be sufficient. Cruz knows better.
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