List of executive actions Obama plans to take

[mentalarson]

Wait until you see how the actual EO's are worded. I bet they bear little resemblance to the benign descriptions released today.

This is all political theater, but it pushes the Overton window over to make horrible and unreasonable things seem "reasonable".

Beware of what a Marxist calls "common sense" or "reasonable".

I can't count how many people I heard echo, "We need to do something" when discussing Obamacare. They were easily conditioned into thinking that tens of millions of people were just being screwed by the best health care system currently available in the world.

I'm at a loss for how to combat this insanity, but I heard one practical baby step on TheSurvivalPodcast.

One of the best ways to fight gun control laws is to take people who have never shot to a range.
1. Teach them the 4 firearms safety rules.
2. Give them the chance to do some dry presses (empty gun).
3. Let them shoot a 22 for a bit with zero recoil.
4. Maybe let them shoot something a little bigger.
5. Have them shoot something black with a 30 round magazine. ;)

Though there is more to it than "sport" marksmanship is a sport like golf that non-gun folks might be able to wrap their minds around. However, if three bad guys invade my house, I'd rather be a pro with a gun than a 9 iron.

The people who will fall for "reasonable" gun control will do so because they are ignorant of what guns are, what they do and how they can be used to save lives.

Obviously talking to politicians about this has a limited return on investment.

Maybe we should pay it forward and take a bunch of our non-gun neighbors to the range...so that when we're led away in cuffs for non-compliance, someone besides family will ask what the hell is going on...and maybe tell the news we're nice folks.

[RottenApple]

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Might want to correct that Rule 1 violation.

[x007x]

Will they try to take our already owned guns away? Or make it visible to the public on who owns guns? And this 10- round magazine ban., so would that mean my Glock 19-15 round clip would be illegal to own? And the same for my pistol grip shotgun?

[fickman]

As I told an acquaintance yesterday, sometimes one side or just right and one side is just wrong. In those instances, a middle ground is also wrong.

[rotor]

I recently bought a gun at Academy. Kind of a hastle, background check, carry the gun out of the store before giving it to me but not a bad transaction and I can live with that. I also recently bought a gun from someone on texasguntrader.com. To be honest I was apprehensive going to his house with cash on hand, etc. I was happy to see that he was in his military uniform and he was happy to see that I was an upright individual but we must admit that any felon or crazy could buy a gun that way and get away with it. We really don't want crooks and crackpots getting guns. So, there really is a loophole here with private sales. As an honest person I wouldn't mind that loophole being closed. We only want guns going to responsible people. So how do we do this without having a FFA person getting in between? Can't we get an app for a smartphone to allow me to check someone or for them to check me before we sell a gun to an individual. I sure wouldn't sell and take a check without knowing if it would clear the bank first.

Now, the medical issue. The Feds have passed a law called HiPAA which makes it a felony for a medical person to give out any info about you except for certain limited issues. Texas passed an even more stringent law which went into effect in Sep 2012 which is worse than the Fed law. So, a medical professional seeing a crazy person just doesn't know what the hell to do without getting into trouble. There was a time when the nuts could be put away.. now they are coddled and allowed to be out in society. The crazy in Colorado that went into the movie and shot everyone had been seeing a therapist and the therapist had reported him to the campus police. He had threatened to kill people. What was done?? Don't look at the doctor as being for gun control. Most that I know are NRA members and are at the range all the time. But the laws have gotten so strict that they are afraid to open their mouths and say anything when they see someone that very well may be a threat to society. They make a report and they get prosecuted by the Feds and now even worse by Texas with their more stringent law. A true nightmare for the medical profession. Very good article today in The Wall Street Journal about how the Governor of Colorado is trying to address the mental health issue and make laws that will get the nuts off the street. That's where the action needs to be, not the honest gun owner.

[RottenApple]

Now, the medical issue. The Feds have passed a law called HiPAA which makes it a felony for a medical person to give out any info about you except for certain limited issues. Texas passed an even more stringent law which went into effect in Sep 2012 which is worse than the Fed law. So, a medical professional seeing a crazy person just doesn't know what the heck to do without getting into trouble. There was a time when the nuts could be put away.. now they are coddled and allowed to be out in society. The crazy in Colorado that went into the movie and shot everyone had been seeing a therapist and the therapist had reported him to the campus police. He had threatened to kill people. What was done?? Don't look at the doctor as being for gun control. Most that I know are NRA members and are at the range all the time. But the laws have gotten so strict that they are afraid to open their mouths and say anything when they see someone that very well may be a threat to society. They make a report and they get prosecuted by the Feds and now even worse by Texas with their more stringent law. A true nightmare for the medical profession. Very good article today in The Wall Street Journal about how the Governor of Colorado is trying to address the mental health issue and make laws that will get the nuts off the street. That's where the action needs to be, not the honest gun owner.

One of those "issues" is if the doctor/nurse/nurse practitioner believes the patient may be a danger to themselves or others. Not only are they authorized to notify the authorities, they are REQUIRED to under HIPPA. Texas state law permits them to, but does not require them to. So any doctor/nurse/nurse practitioner who doesn't do so, either doesn't believe the patient is a danger and/or doesn't want to deal with all the paperwork or liability (they don't have immunity for notifying authorities in good faith.

[rotor]

Here is an example of the Feds policy, just emailed to me tonight... Notice even in the bottom of the email that they tell you how to file a complaint if you believe your "privacy" has been violated. You are screwed either way....

January 16, 2013



Subject: HHS issues letter to providers on disclosures to avert threats to health or safety



HHS has issued a letter to health care providers to ensure that they are aware of their ability under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule to take action, consistent with their ethical standards or other legal obligations, to disclose necessary information about a patient to law enforcement, family members of the patient, or other persons, when they believe the patient presents a serious danger to himself or other people. For more information, see: http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/office/lettertonationhcp.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This email is being sent to you from the OCR-Privacy-List listserv, operated by the Office for Civil Rights (OCR) in the US Department of Health and Human Services. This is an announce-only list, a resource to distribute information about the HIPAA Privacy and Security Rules. For additional information on a wide range of topics about the Privacy and Security Rules, please visit the OCR Privacy website at http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. You can also call the OCR Privacy toll-free phone line at (866) 627-7748. Information about OCR's civil rights authorities and responsibilities can be found on the OCR home page at http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/office/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. If you believe that a person or organization covered by the Privacy and Security Rules (a "covered entity") violated your health information privacy rights or otherwise violated the Privacy or Security Rules, you may file a complaint with OCR. For additional information about how to file a complaint, visit OCR's web page on filing complaints at http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/co ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. To subscribe to or unsubscribe from the list serv, go to https://list.nih.gov/cgi-bin/wa.exe?SUB ... Y-LIST&A=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

[RPB]

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@BarackObama Executive Action #11. Nominate an ATF director #FastAndFuriously

Executive action 6. Publish a letter from ATF to FFLs = DONE >> http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2013/ ... iduals.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; #ThatWasEasy #AllDone #GunControl

[Jaguar]

I recently bought a gun at Academy. Kind of a hastle, background check, carry the gun out of the store before giving it to me but not a bad transaction and I can live with that. I also recently bought a gun from someone on texasguntrader.com. To be honest I was apprehensive going to his house with cash on hand, etc. I was happy to see that he was in his military uniform and he was happy to see that I was an upright individual but we must admit that any felon or crazy could buy a gun that way and get away with it. We really don't want crooks and crackpots getting guns. So, there really is a loophole here with private sales. As an honest person I wouldn't mind that loophole being closed. We only want guns going to responsible people. So how do we do this without having a FFA person getting in between? Can't we get an app for a smartphone to allow me to check someone or for them to check me before we sell a gun to an individual. I sure wouldn't sell and take a check without knowing if it would clear the bank first.

You are asking law abiding folks to be treated like criminals while criminals laugh at the law. If "Homeboy" and "Brah" want to trade a Glock 19 for 15 grams of crack, they are not going to go to a FFL. Even if they were doing a deal for cash, they are not going to an FFL. That law will only effect the people who wish to obey the law, no one else. It will not stop criminal from stealing, buying, selling, or giving guns to other criminals.

As an honest person I have done face to face deals with strangers and gone through a FFL, I feel less "dirty" after a FTF sale, like I didn't have to sell my soul to the government just to exercise my rights. YMMV

[RottenApple]

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Hey, I hear you. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand they are required to report the danger to authorities, but on they other they can get in trouble for violating the patient's privacy. It sucks and I wish it weren't so. But, sadly, it is and either has to be changed or dealt with. Right now, I'm willing to bet that most medical practitioner "turn the other cheek" in order to avoid having to deal with the potential liability. What we need to do is modify HIPPA to provide immunity to those medical professionals who report in good faith (if it is determined that they made report is made fraudulently, well, then they should be held civilly and criminally liable). Then, once law enforcement has been notified, they can investigate and, if cause is found, then seek a competency hearing (or similar legal venue) to determine if the patient should be striped of certain constitutional rights.

[rotor]

Jaguar, I agree with you about asking law abiding citizens to do something that criminals don't do but using the same logic, you followed the law to conceal carry and the crooks do it without following the law. If I were selling a gun to someone I would have no hesitation to sell it to a CHL permit holder but I would not want to sell it to the guy with needle marks running up and down his arm. It is a minimal imposition to make sure the gun is going to someone that is also a law abidding citizen. Look how much hastle we go through to conceal carry. Your gun right now could technically be bought by any nut that wants to come to your house and buy it and you have no way of knowing if he/she is legal enough to own a gun. I know that it is not our job to be the police but I just don't want to sell my gun to a felon or other criminal or crazy. There is no way for me to quickly check that person out though. I would like to be able to check them out before giving them my address as I am not a very trusting person.

[RottenApple]

Jaguar, I agree with you about asking law abiding citizens to do something that criminals don't do but using the same logic, you followed the law to conceal carry and the crooks do it without following the law. If I were selling a gun to someone I would have no hesitation to sell it to a CHL permit holder but I would not want to sell it to the guy with needle marks running up and down his arm. It is a minimal imposition to make sure the gun is going to someone that is also a law abidding citizen. Look how much hastle we go through to conceal carry. Your gun right now could technically be bought by any nut that wants to come to your house and buy it and you have no way of knowing if he/she is legal enough to own a gun. I know that it is not our job to be the police but I just don't want to sell my gun to a felon or other criminal or crazy. There is no way for me to quickly check that person out though. I would like to be able to check them out before giving them my address as I am not a very trusting person.

Actually, you do have a way (kinda) and you just pointed it out. Only sell to someone who has a CHL.

[Andrew]

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@BarackObama Executive Action #11. Nominate an ATF director #FastAndFuriously

Executive action 6. Publish a letter from ATF to FFLs = DONE >> http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2013/ ... iduals.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; #ThatWasEasy #AllDone #GunControl

So FFLs are being instructed to buy a gun from one private party, add to inventory, and do the ATFE paperwork, then sell it to another private party, do NICS and a 4473 for the sale. And of course the FFLs don't want to do this for free, they have costs and their time has value.....So the cost of a private sale just went up how much? The value of the firearm just declined by the cost compliance how much?

[Jaguar]

Rotor, if you don't trust the average person to purchase your firearm, sell it on consignment at a gun store or only sell to CHL holders. I feel I can judge a person fairly quickly, and if I get the hebi jebies I can call off the sale. Most people I deal with are members of our local gun range, I know them, they know me, we buy sell and trade all without the BATF's permission. I've met a member here and traded guns, no big deal.

If someone wanted to meet me behind the abandoned Kroger in Stop Six, I would politely decline. If I got a bad vibe after meeting someone at the Parks Mall in Arlington, I'd call off the deal. I am not worried about people selling and trading guns amongst themselves since the criminal will do so regardless of any laws. If you don't want to, that is fine with me. C'est la vie.

[5thGenTexan]

I'm interested in seeing the "list" regarding EO #4

I had the same thought.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

Who gets to decide what "dangerous" means? Are you dangerous if you call AR15s and AK47s "Militia Rifles" as I have been doing?

I'd like to know how #5 would affect a CHL holder whose gun has been seized pending the outcome of a self-defense shooting........or even a non-CHL but lawful gun owner. He had the background check when he bought the gun. He broke no laws between then and when he uses it in self-defense, and his self-defense was lawful, but he has to have another background check which can take weeks before he has his gun returned to him? And what if he owns more than one gun? Do they seize all his other guns pending a background check?

Sieg Heil, Mr. President.

It already takes more like months, friends husband took 3 months getting his back after he dispatched one of a group of three would be burglars in his back yard. They were trying to find an unlocked window he shot one and the other two ran off.

And # 4 shall apply to all members of the following: those who did not support BO at a level above the legal campaign limits, especially those Tea Party types wit a Libertarian leaning.