Breaking The Gun Control Stalemate (Article)

[Dave2]

BOTTOM LINE: I am NOT giving mine up, no matter what the law says. They are literally going to have to try and take them, and yes, I WILL fire on an American who is treasonous enough to try and enforce something like that. I've had a good life, and nobody lives forever, and my eternal destiny is a settled matter. Maybe if enough old coots go down fighting, enough young coots will stand up to carry the fight forward. I'm deadly serious about this.

Well said, as always, TAM. I can honestly say, that while I share your sentiment, I'm not confident that I wouldn't cave if the heat were turned up and the authorities came knocking. I would like to think I could hold my resolve, but my convictions have become more malleable when thinking about the long term care of our infant. The world post such enforcement events is certainly not a place in which I would like my son to live, though I don't know if having and knowing his father -- and being able to raise him to recognize the tyranny around him -- wouldn't win out. Maybe this line of reasoning is just cowerdly, but I suspect many ardent RKBA/2Aers would be faced with this dilemma. I pray that I may share in your strength.

Ditto, except I don't have kids yet (my 18mo niece is pretty awesome, though). I think I might have to go for an unexpected and extended camping trip with a wind-up radio if it starts looking like this'll actually happen.

Speaking of which, I'm really not sure what to think regarding the chances of a confiscation attempt... As Charles Krauthammer correctly pointed out on Fox News earlier tonight, there's no point in an AWB with a grandfather clause because they're proven to be useless, but an AWB without a grandfather clause would cause an insurrection. Feinstein's bill does have a grandfather clause, but it seems like the list of what she wants to ban could end up being a large portion of what's on the market.

[Heartland Patriot]

I, for one, am very skeptical of th ME's report. On Friday evening, after I got home and was watching the news coverage, they showed the footage shot earlier from their news copter. Over and over it showed a police officer removing the "assalt rifle" from the trunk of the shooter's car. I guess he shot all those kids, ran out and put it in the trunk, and then ran back inside and shot himself. Bet you won't find that footage anywhere now!

The best I could find with a quick search...

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I'm not a certified and licensed firearms expert in the very least, but that APPEARS to be a shotgun that they are pulling out of the trunk. Which goes along with what I maintain about the media not knowing jack nothing about firearms, but spouting off AS IF THEY ARE EXPERTS...and the ignorant types in our society lap it all up like a sponge...

[bauer]

After making my way over to the abc poll via the poll thread I was scrolling through the home page and ran across this article:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/newtown-m ... NAmn3Pjng5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Basically, the article attempts (although its primarily done though an anti's point of view) to describe what a Bushmaster .223 is to the generally public and how they are nothing but EBRs. If you want a good laugh take a minute it too read it. There are some pretty amusing quotes in there. My favorite was

"what makes it dangerous is the ability to take almost unlimited amounts of ammunition and a pistol grip," said Horwitz. "That's what allows the shooter to keep the barrel down on the target."

I agree with TAM's sentiment earlier in the thread that at no point will I willingly/peacefully allow the gov't to confiscate my "assault weapons." I gave blood, sweat, and tears in defense of this nation and its Constitution. It wasn't a promise I took lightly while in the service and I certainly don't take it lightly now. An attack on the Constitution, is an attack on this nation even if it comes from within our own gov't (I'm looking at you Barry).

[Heartland Patriot]

After making my way over to the abc poll via the poll thread I was scrolling through the home page and ran across this article:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/newtown-m ... NAmn3Pjng5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Basically, the article attempts (although its primarily done though an anti's point of view) to describe what a Bushmaster .223 is to the generally public and how they are nothing but EBRs. If you want a good laugh take a minute it too read it. There are some pretty amusing quotes in there. My favorite was

"what makes it dangerous is the ability to take almost unlimited amounts of ammunition and a pistol grip," said Horwitz. "That's what allows the shooter to keep the barrel down on the target."

I agree with TAM's sentiment earlier in the thread that at no point will I willingly/peacefully allow the gov't to confiscate my "assault weapons." I gave blood, sweat, and tears in defense of this nation and its Constitution. It wasn't a promise I took lightly while in the service and I certainly don't take it lightly now. An attack on the Constitution, is an attack on this nation even if it comes from within our own gov't (I'm looking at you Barry).

And yet AGAIN, more fodder to be fed to the sheep by the anti-2A leftist media...they pepper these articles with just enough meaty sounding stuff to make them sound "authentic". I loathe and despise them with all fiber of my being.

[VMI77]

I don't think there will be a confiscation ---not because they care about gun owner reaction, but because the mechanics of the process, especially the compensation aspect, will likely put the issue into the courts. However, if they go the confiscation route, there are various paths they can follow....from likely to less likely, but still possible:

1. Require everyone to turn in their weapons. Those not turned in will be functionally useless because anyone caught using one or in possession of one will end up in prison for 5 years or so --unless of course, they're an actual criminal, like a gang banger, in which case they'll just get the charges dropped or probation. Forget about getting any kind of market value...what they'd do is give you a tax credit, and the amount you can claim will be stated in an IRS table for each weapon type. I'd guess something like $500 for an AR, probably not more than $750. They will probably also ask for a declaration on the form that you don't have any prohibited weapons so they can nail you for perjury too if you are later caught with one. This obviously won't be effective for actually getting the weapons turned in....so it would just be a "we did something" exercise.

2. If they really want the weapons turned in, before they can proceed with confiscation, they need registration. If they pass any kind of registration then confiscation is definitely coming. They might require gun dealers to turn in all their 4473s. They'd also probably give rewards to those people who report on anyone who has prohibited weapons, so watch out for those liberal friends and family members. If they're serious about getting every gun they can then the registration process will take awhile, and will also require gun owners to register their weapons, all of them, not just "assault" weapons, and anyone subsequently caught with an unregistered weapon will go to prison --again, excepting actual criminals.

3. I highly doubt there will be door to door searches in either scenario. I doubt they will even go door to door with registered or known gun owners. That would send everyone in the country the message that we're in a totalitarian police state, and they want to maintain the pretense of "freedom" for as long as possible. What they may do then is target certain gun owners for shock and awe attacks carried out by the BATF. Any resistance will be met with extermination. These raids will be publicized, anyone they kill will be labeled a "terrorist," and the media will revel in the elimination of these evil and dangerous people. Most other gun owners will be afraid not to turn in prohibited weapons.

[bauer]

And yet AGAIN, more fodder to be fed to the sheep by the anti-2A leftist media...they pepper these articles with just enough meaty sounding stuff to make them sound "authentic". I loathe and despise them with all fiber of my being.

Thats pretty much how all mainstream media is run. They report the "facts" that are relavent to their wishes, desires, and political agenda instead of being 100% truthful and unbiased. Ultimately, abc ran that article in attempt to vilify any "AR looking platform" in the eyes of the average joe and gain support for the anti's political agenda. It's sad but its an effective technique because most people are nothing but mindless followers.

[VMI77]

And yet AGAIN, more fodder to be fed to the sheep by the anti-2A leftist media...they pepper these articles with just enough meaty sounding stuff to make them sound "authentic". I loathe and despise them with all fiber of my being.

Thats pretty much how all mainstream media is run. They report the "facts" that are relavent to their wishes, desires, and political agenda instead of being 100% truthful and unbiased. Ultimately, abc ran that article in attempt to vilify any "AR looking platform" in the eyes of the average joe and gain support for the anti's political agenda. It's sad but its an effective technique because most people are nothing but mindless followers.

The media in this country are a true fifth column of traitorous vipers. Much of what has transpired to undermine the Republic would simply be impossible if it wasn't for the complicity and treason of the "news" media.

[DocV]

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I'm not a certified and licensed firearms expert in the very least, but that APPEARS to be a shotgun that they are pulling out of the trunk. Which goes along with what I maintain about the media not knowing jack nothing about firearms, but spouting off AS IF THEY ARE EXPERTS...and the ignorant types in our society lap it all up like a sponge...

That certainly does not appear to be an AR. The officer is not using a charging handle to clear the weapon. The stock looks like a thumbhole rifle stock.

[Dave2]

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I'm not a certified and licensed firearms expert in the very least, but that APPEARS to be a shotgun that they are pulling out of the trunk. Which goes along with what I maintain about the media not knowing jack nothing about firearms, but spouting off AS IF THEY ARE EXPERTS...and the ignorant types in our society lap it all up like a sponge...

That certainly does not appear to be an AR. The officer is not using a charging handle to clear the weapon. The stock looks like a thumbhole rifle stock.

Yeah... Kinda looked like a semi-auto shotgun (something big fell out when the guy first racked it) with an aftermarket stock.

[VMI77]

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I'm not a certified and licensed firearms expert in the very least, but that APPEARS to be a shotgun that they are pulling out of the trunk. Which goes along with what I maintain about the media not knowing jack nothing about firearms, but spouting off AS IF THEY ARE EXPERTS...and the ignorant types in our society lap it all up like a sponge...

That certainly does not appear to be an AR. The officer is not using a charging handle to clear the weapon. The stock looks like a thumbhole rifle stock.

Yeah... Kinda looked like a semi-auto shotgun (something big fell out when the guy first racked it) with an aftermarket stock.

Sort of looks like a Benelli M4 or variant to me.

[bauer]

Sort of looks like a Benelli M4 or variant to me.

Yeah, that was my thought as well. It appears to be a shotgun to me as well. Good thing he didn't use it as it has a super evil, extremely deadly pistol grip on it.