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The Annoyed Man wrote:I've been an admirer of Petraeus's for a long time. It's sad to see him bring his public service career to an end with this shadow over his head. But I'm inclined to agree with RoyGBiv's client in assuming that he made a strategic retreat to avoid the arty fire mission headed his way from the administration if he told the truth—which he would because it is entirely consistent with his character—during his testimony at the Benghazi hearings next week. Now that he has stepped down, he will not be required to testify.

Interestingly, Senator Diane Feinstein announced that she would have stood up for Petraeus if he had chosen to stay. She—despite being too far to the left on too many issues—has a track record of having taken the administration to task for its disgraceful handling of opsec and classified programs, and she held Petraeus in very high regard....to the point that she openly declared that his strength of character would keep him from being a blackmail risk because of the affair.

The "affair" was just a sample and a warning of what Obama intended for him. Does anyone care about this affair but the people actually involved? I don't, and even if I did, the affair is irrelevant to any testimony he would provide. The point of this attack was to discredit his testimony: not by virtue of the affair itself, but any criticism he might make of the Obama administration would be dismissed as sour grapes for being caught with his pants down and forced to resign.
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Keith B wrote:The problem with Petraeus is not that he had an indiscretion with a neighbor lady, his 'girlfriend' is a journalist and he was apparently sharing confidential information with her. Who knows, maybe she was sharing it with someone else that could use it against us. He is not immune from having to testify on any issues, he will just not be testifying as CIA Director.

When you are in a position such as his previous two jobs, you have to be careful who you socialize with and what you share. Remember the WWII adage 'Loose lips sink ships', that still applies in today's world of terrorists if you have Top Secret information.
Then we'll see her shortly changed for espionage and put on trial? Doubt it.
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philip964 wrote:
philip964 wrote:I was listening to the news about Petraeus last night and something really awful came to me. I am not saying I think this is true, as it is really so over the top that I can't imagine that it is. However, it fits the pattern of what happens and explains why Petraeus resigned right before he was to testify about attack in Benghazi.

Some of the things they said about Petraeus last night on the news as background:

He is a very honorable man.
Brilliant.
The affair was with a biographer, who is very pretty, She interviewed him extensively while he was overseas in Afghanistan (away from home) well before he was being considered for his current role as CIA director.
The FBI extensively vetted him before he was selected as CIA director.
He is very popular.
An affair would be something that could be used to bribe him. Bad for a director of the CIA or anyone at the CIA.
The affair was apparently over and no one knew about it.
Eisenhower had an affair with Kate Summersby in a similar situation, never resigned and became president. (BTW look up his red/blue electorial map on Wiki)

What if the FBI discovered the affair, told the president, but the president decided to keep it a secret and to select him anyway due to his popularity and the fact the affair was over and no one knew about it.

What if the bribery was on the part of the president or his staff, to get him to "be a team player" on the Benghazi testimony next week. The bribery could have been as simple as during discussions on what he would say, someone said something like "you know we know about your affair".

Petraeus being the honorable man he is, decided to resign and admit the affair, rather than "being a team player" as that would be the honorable thing to do.

Ok I am ready for the "tinfoil hat comments"
Well I was all wrong. Something much simpler. Mistress number one was concerned that another woman was paying too much attention to "her man" and so sent threatening emails under a fake name to woman number two. Fearing for her life she went to the local fbi cyber crimes unit, who discovered the rest of the story.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/t ... z0sGKuxHSN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Note to self, don't have affairs.
That's a good note, but if it's the criteria for good leadership of any kind then since we're human beings, we're destined to have poor leaders.

I don't believe the narrative at all...yeah, he no doubt had the affair, as he confessed to it....the rest of it is a complete set up.
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interesting gun-related angle on Paula Broadwell - she was a spokesmodel for KRISS firearms (low recoil .45 ACP submachine gun)

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philip964 wrote:Well I was all wrong. Something much simpler. Mistress number one was concerned that another woman was paying too much attention to "her man" and so sent threatening emails under a fake name to woman number two. Fearing for her life she went to the local fbi cyber crimes unit, who discovered the rest of the story.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/t ... z0sGKuxHSN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I'll throw this out there and you can chew on it. A well-connected Marine friend sent me this today.
Among certain Army Officers, this is the talk. For several years, it was known by the WH that Petraeus had a mistress. It was not raised as a "big deal," however, the issue was subtly held over his head. Petraeus had disagreements with the WH over the handling of Afghanistan, and he was told to get in line, or else. The termination of General McChrystal was offered as an example of Petraeus' fate. Petraeus continued to battle with Obama and the WH over the handling of Afghanistan. As a result, Obama ordered Eric Holder to sick the FBI on Petraeus to find dirt to blackmail him into submission and silence. The CIA position was given to Petraeus to insure his cooperation and silence---so Obama thought.

Petraeus still refused to play ball with Obama. After Benghazi-Gate, Petraeus notified the WH that the CIA would be releasing facts re the incident and he would testify under oath to the same (all damaging to the Obama and the WH.) Petraeus was, again, threatened. This time, though, Petraeus was so irritated that Obama had let CIA personnel and the Ambassador die, that he outed himself and resigned, rather than be blackmailed about the matter by Obama. Thereafter, Obama ordered him to wait until after the election, but before the Congressional hearings to resign. Obama, the WH, and the FBI have already concocted cover stories and allegations to counter Petraeus.

How many of our Generals and Admirals will be punished for standing up to Obama's incompetence and corruption?
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I was thinking of the old expression "Bad decisions make good stories" when the following alert hit my computer this morning:

Marine Gen. John R. Allen, the four-star U.S. commander of the war in Afghanistan, exchanged thousands of “potentially inappropriate” emails with Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who claimed to have been harassed by the ex-mistress of former CIA Director David Petraeus, a senior defense official told POLITICO. Allen, 58 and married, was nominated in October by President Barack Obama to be Supreme Allied Commander Europe and commander of the U.S. European Command. That nomination is now on hold, but Allen will remain commander of U.S. forces and the NATO International Security Assistance Forces (ISAF) in Afghanistan, the official said. The FBI on Sunday turned over to Pentagon lawyers 20,000 to 30,000 pages of emails exchanged by the two from 2010 to 2012. Politico, 11/13/2012

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57Coastie wrote:I was thinking of the old expression "Bad decisions make good stories" when the following alert hit my computer this morning:

Marine Gen. John R. Allen, the four-star U.S. commander of the war in Afghanistan, exchanged thousands of “potentially inappropriate” emails with Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who claimed to have been harassed by the ex-mistress of former CIA Director David Petraeus, a senior defense official told POLITICO. Allen, 58 and married, was nominated in October by President Barack Obama to be Supreme Allied Commander Europe and commander of the U.S. European Command. That nomination is now on hold, but Allen will remain commander of U.S. forces and the NATO International Security Assistance Forces (ISAF) in Afghanistan, the official said. The FBI on Sunday turned over to Pentagon lawyers 20,000 to 30,000 pages of emails exchanged by the two from 2010 to 2012. Politico, 11/13/2012

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Hearing this on the news right now.
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baldeagle wrote:I'll throw this out there and you can chew on it. A well-connected Marine friend sent me this today.
Among certain Army Officers, this is the talk. For several years, it was known by the WH that Petraeus had a mistress. It was not raised as a "big deal," however, the issue was subtly held over his head. Petraeus had disagreements with the WH over the handling of Afghanistan, and he was told to get in line, or else. The termination of General McChrystal was offered as an example of Petraeus' fate. Petraeus continued to battle with Obama and the WH over the handling of Afghanistan. As a result, Obama ordered Eric Holder to sick the FBI on Petraeus to find dirt to blackmail him into submission and silence. The CIA position was given to Petraeus to insure his cooperation and silence---so Obama thought.

Petraeus still refused to play ball with Obama. After Benghazi-Gate, Petraeus notified the WH that the CIA would be releasing facts re the incident and he would testify under oath to the same (all damaging to the Obama and the WH.) Petraeus was, again, threatened. This time, though, Petraeus was so irritated that Obama had let CIA personnel and the Ambassador die, that he outed himself and resigned, rather than be blackmailed about the matter by Obama. Thereafter, Obama ordered him to wait until after the election, but before the Congressional hearings to resign. Obama, the WH, and the FBI have already concocted cover stories and allegations to counter Petraeus.

How many of our Generals and Admirals will be punished for standing up to Obama's incompetence and corruption?
If true, it's easy enough to verify. Just ask him.
Looking forward to it.
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VMI77 wrote:
Keith B wrote:The problem with Petraeus is not that he had an indiscretion with a neighbor lady, his 'girlfriend' is a journalist and he was apparently sharing confidential information with her. Who knows, maybe she was sharing it with someone else that could use it against us. He is not immune from having to testify on any issues, he will just not be testifying as CIA Director.

When you are in a position such as his previous two jobs, you have to be careful who you socialize with and what you share. Remember the WWII adage 'Loose lips sink ships', that still applies in today's world of terrorists if you have Top Secret information.
Then we'll see her shortly changed for espionage and put on trial? Doubt it.
Only if they can prove SHE was using the information in that manner. However, if he leaked that info to her and he was not at liberty to share it, then he was in violation of his job function.
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baldeagle wrote:I'll throw this out there and you can chew on it. A well-connected Marine friend sent me this today.
Among certain Army Officers, this is the talk. For several years, it was known by the WH that Petraeus had a mistress. It was not raised as a "big deal," however, the issue was subtly held over his head. Petraeus had disagreements with the WH over the handling of Afghanistan, and he was told to get in line, or else. The termination of General McChrystal was offered as an example of Petraeus' fate. Petraeus continued to battle with Obama and the WH over the handling of Afghanistan. As a result, Obama ordered Eric Holder to sick the FBI on Petraeus to find dirt to blackmail him into submission and silence. The CIA position was given to Petraeus to insure his cooperation and silence---so Obama thought.

Petraeus still refused to play ball with Obama. After Benghazi-Gate, Petraeus notified the WH that the CIA would be releasing facts re the incident and he would testify under oath to the same (all damaging to the Obama and the WH.) Petraeus was, again, threatened. This time, though, Petraeus was so irritated that Obama had let CIA personnel and the Ambassador die, that he outed himself and resigned, rather than be blackmailed about the matter by Obama. Thereafter, Obama ordered him to wait until after the election, but before the Congressional hearings to resign. Obama, the WH, and the FBI have already concocted cover stories and allegations to counter Petraeus.

How many of our Generals and Admirals will be punished for standing up to Obama's incompetence and corruption?
Do you really need insider information to know this is what happened? It's as obvious as a sunrise. There is no way Petraeus wasn't vetted before he was appointed to the CIA. Of course they knew he had a mistress. In fact, I doubt they'd have appointed him if they hadn't had something to hold over him. They've got dirt on everyone that gets appointed to a high position like this --only compromised people allowed. You can't have "clean" heads of government agencies in a corrupt administration --just like if you're running a corrupt company you don't appoint a real Boy Scout to be CFO. So, the answer to your question is: ANYONE who stands up to the administration will be punished.
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57Coastie wrote:I was thinking of the old expression "Bad decisions make good stories" when the following alert hit my computer this morning:

Marine Gen. John R. Allen, the four-star U.S. commander of the war in Afghanistan, exchanged thousands of “potentially inappropriate” emails with Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who claimed to have been harassed by the ex-mistress of former CIA Director David Petraeus, a senior defense official told POLITICO. Allen, 58 and married, was nominated in October by President Barack Obama to be Supreme Allied Commander Europe and commander of the U.S. European Command. That nomination is now on hold, but Allen will remain commander of U.S. forces and the NATO International Security Assistance Forces (ISAF) in Afghanistan, the official said. The FBI on Sunday turned over to Pentagon lawyers 20,000 to 30,000 pages of emails exchanged by the two from 2010 to 2012. Politico, 11/13/2012

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Keith B wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
Keith B wrote:The problem with Petraeus is not that he had an indiscretion with a neighbor lady, his 'girlfriend' is a journalist and he was apparently sharing confidential information with her. Who knows, maybe she was sharing it with someone else that could use it against us. He is not immune from having to testify on any issues, he will just not be testifying as CIA Director.

When you are in a position such as his previous two jobs, you have to be careful who you socialize with and what you share. Remember the WWII adage 'Loose lips sink ships', that still applies in today's world of terrorists if you have Top Secret information.
Then we'll see her shortly changed for espionage and put on trial? Doubt it.
Only if they can prove SHE was using the information in that manner. However, if he leaked that info to her and he was not at liberty to share it, then he was in violation of his job function.
Come on, this is all a set up. There is no way the Obama administration didn't know he had a mistress before they appointed him. Corrupt people only place compromised people in positions of power within their organizations. Anything else would be suicide. There is ZERO security threat here. Does anyone here really believe Petraeus was compromising national security? Obama is the biggest inside national security threat the country has ever faced.
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RoyGBiv wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I'll throw this out there and you can chew on it. A well-connected Marine friend sent me this today.
Among certain Army Officers, this is the talk. For several years, it was known by the WH that Petraeus had a mistress. It was not raised as a "big deal," however, the issue was subtly held over his head. Petraeus had disagreements with the WH over the handling of Afghanistan, and he was told to get in line, or else. The termination of General McChrystal was offered as an example of Petraeus' fate. Petraeus continued to battle with Obama and the WH over the handling of Afghanistan. As a result, Obama ordered Eric Holder to sick the FBI on Petraeus to find dirt to blackmail him into submission and silence. The CIA position was given to Petraeus to insure his cooperation and silence---so Obama thought.

Petraeus still refused to play ball with Obama. After Benghazi-Gate, Petraeus notified the WH that the CIA would be releasing facts re the incident and he would testify under oath to the same (all damaging to the Obama and the WH.) Petraeus was, again, threatened. This time, though, Petraeus was so irritated that Obama had let CIA personnel and the Ambassador die, that he outed himself and resigned, rather than be blackmailed about the matter by Obama. Thereafter, Obama ordered him to wait until after the election, but before the Congressional hearings to resign. Obama, the WH, and the FBI have already concocted cover stories and allegations to counter Petraeus.

How many of our Generals and Admirals will be punished for standing up to Obama's incompetence and corruption?
If true, it's easy enough to verify. Just ask him.
Looking forward to it.
He's not going to answer honestly, and can't. He's dealing with a gang of Chicago thugs...if they don't have something else on him that's worse, then they'll just make something up.
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