Afghans: Quran-burning soldiers to face trial

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JJVP wrote:
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FuziDave wrote:this is just crazy

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Not crazy, as long as you live in Afghanistan, or Pakistan or KSA....

To let yoy know the proper destruction of the Holy book, Al-Quran is burning alone. NOT throwing the Holy book in trash, garbage, etc and burning everything.

The proper way to treat a killed enemy combatant is to respectfully bury him or put him in a coffin and send him to the country of origin. It is NOT to drag their dead bodies through the streets, spit at them, beat them, hang them from a tree, cut body parts and burn them.

At least our soldiers tried to do the right thing. :mad5
I agree. I read somewhere that the Holy book (Quran) were thrown into garbage or something like that. Maybe it was misinformation. Just buring the Holy Book for a valid reason is acceptable.

In fact, the right way either deliver the body (preserved) to RedC(then to their orginal country) or burry them properlly. Mutulating daed Bodies (whether that of enemy soldiers or otherwise) is islamically fobidden. POW shoudd be treated extremely well as if you have deerest friend as guest. If the there is lack of food or water, POWs should get best share of food/water.
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Oldgringo wrote:We infidels are the sworn enemies of Islam. Let's pack our gear, get out of that God forsaken place and urge them to continue to kill each other as they've been doing since the dawn of time.

The current POTUS can then bow and apologize for overstaying our welcome, promise it won't happen again and wish them well as we di di mau out of there.
Didi mau...I had a supervisor many years ago that used that phrase...he spent some time at Tan Son Nhut AB...sad that the American military does such a great job, and American politicians have a way of throwing that away...
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So, if our President allows this to continue or even pushes for "those responsible" to be held accountable, is there anyone still willing to defend his contention that he is a Christian and not a Muslim?
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Oldgringo wrote:We infidels are the sworn enemies of Islam. Let's pack our gear, get out of that God forsaken place and urge them to continue to kill each other as they've been doing since the dawn of time.

The current POTUS can then bow and apologize for overstaying our welcome, promise it won't happen again and wish them well as we di di mau out of there.


...that's ridiculous...we can't just leave them to kill each other...we are honor-bound to leave a peace-keeping force...I say we send Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill, Al Gore, and Whoopi Goldberg...and check on 'em by radio every year or so...
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speedsix wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:We infidels are the sworn enemies of Islam. Let's pack our gear, get out of that God forsaken place and urge them to continue to kill each other as they've been doing since the dawn of time.

The current POTUS can then bow and apologize for overstaying our welcome, promise it won't happen again and wish them well as we di di mau out of there.


...that's ridiculous...we can't just leave them to kill each other...we are honor-bound to leave a peace-keeping force...I say we send Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill, Al Gore, and Whoopi Goldberg...and check on 'em by radio every year or so...
Ahh, Whoopi's not so bad. We could send Joy Behar in her place. Or Rosie O.
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And don't forget Princess Pelosi!
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speedsix wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:We infidels are the sworn enemies of Islam. Let's pack our gear, get out of that God forsaken place and urge them to continue to kill each other as they've been doing since the dawn of time.

The current POTUS can then bow and apologize for overstaying our welcome, promise it won't happen again and wish them well as we di di mau out of there.


...that's ridiculous...we can't just leave them to kill each other...we are honor-bound to leave a peace-keeping force...I say we send Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill, Al Gore, and Whoopi Goldberg...and check on 'em by radio every year or so...
Can we add Bill Maher and Jon Stewart to that crew? How about Michael Moore? Since we're building a peacekeeping "dream team" and all... :biggrinjester:
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I nominate Jane Fonda! :clapping:
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bronco78 wrote: couple more days at most and I think the report will come out...before making statements like the one above, you might want to hold off a bit.
I hear ya, Bronc. Seems like folks here would listen to your counsel, considering that you're closer to the situation than the rest of us.

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snatchel wrote:I loved being called an infidel. I believe "infidel" roughly translates to "smart, charismatic, handsome, christian man." I could be mistaken though ;-) .
The word Infidel is actually an ancient Catholic word which means "one who does not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ" or "one who is not Christian and opposes Christianity". Note the stated goals for the Crusades were to remove the Infidels from the Holy Lands. Its meaning has been corrupted over the past thousand years, and most people now believe it means a disbeliever of Islam. This is likely due to Muslims hearing Christians calling them Infidel, and mistaking the meaning of the word. Over the years, the word fell out of use by Christians but remained in use for Muslims, by which they began referring to all disbelievers of Islam.

The actual Arabic word for a non-believer of Islam is kafir, which simply means "unbeliever" or "disbeliever" (and is also a pejorative). The word islam itself is Arabic for "truth", being that Islam is the one and only true religion.
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snatchel wrote:Agreed--it would be outrageous to allow the soldiers to be tried under Sharia.

However, I think that the soldiers responsible should be held accountable for their actions, under UCMJ law. Do I care that a Koran was burned? Nope. It isn't the act that angers me, it's the principle. American soldiers are representatives of our wonderful country, and should know better than to act in a way that brings a bad name to her. Burning the Korans didn't do any good except to stir up trouble and possibly make the situation more dangerous that it was.

When I was in Iraq the 2nd time, one of the Army soldiers that was on my base got into trouble for kicking a Koran through the dirt. It was intentional and mean spirited, and I didn't feel the least bit sorry for him when he was tried under UCMJ for his irresponsible behavior. Fact is that most Americans don't care for Islam, the Koran, or anything related... but as Americans we need to provide the example of religious tolerance (to the extent that it's safe to do so, IE., zero tolerance for Islamic Fundamentalists, etc).
While you make good points, and something like kicking a book of any kind is rather childish, there is a much larger issue reflected in the response from authority to these kinds of incidents, and to the rules US military personnel have to follow in order to appease Muslims. The plain and simple fact is that our values are superior to their values (not perfect, but clearly superior). Their so called civilization is not worthy of our respect, merely of our toleration (and only to some practical degree). We shouldn't respect their contempt for women, their contempt for religious freedom, their contempt for freedom of speech, and their primitive laws and behavior.

Our appeasement of their depraved cultural attitudes is just as dangerous to our troops and our objectives, if not more so, than the provocation of burning a Koran. Our attempt to be culturally neutral also provides them with a tremendous amount of leverage that they use to escalate trivial incidents into major confrontations. This is analogous to 2nd amendment issues here --you can't appease a liberal by accepting bans on "high capacity" magazines and "assault" rifles any more than you can appease this primitive culture by issuing groveling apologies and punishing our troops for trivial acts that are legal and acceptable in any country with a reasonable concept of human rights. Even liberals see such capitulation as weakness, and these people are far more hardened and determined than any liberal.

There is no example of conduct that will convince a true-believer that he should change his behavior. They will perceive our toleration as weakness, and furthermore, if we tolerate, for example, their treatment of women (which isn't just a behavior of fundamentalists), what example have we set? All we do with such toleration is demonstrate that we don't believe strongly enough in or own values to apply them, and in that case, why should they believe in them either?
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Kythas wrote:
snatchel wrote:I loved being called an infidel. I believe "infidel" roughly translates to "smart, charismatic, handsome, christian man." I could be mistaken though ;-) .
The word Infidel is actually an ancient Catholic word which means "one who does not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ" or "one who is not Christian and opposes Christianity". Note the stated goals for the Crusades were to remove the Infidels from the Holy Lands. Its meaning has been corrupted over the past thousand years, and most people now believe it means a disbeliever of Islam. This is likely due to Muslims hearing Christians calling them Infidel, and mistaking the meaning of the word. Over the years, the word fell out of use by Christians but remained in use for Muslims, by which they began referring to all disbelievers of Islam.

The actual Arabic word for a non-believer of Islam is kafir, which simply means "unbeliever" or "disbeliever" (and is also a pejorative). The word islam itself is Arabic for "truth", being that Islam is the one and only true religion.

Thanks for the heads up.... I was being sarcasti though. LoL. But interesting explanation--I didn't know that Catholics were the first to use the word "infidel" in that manner.
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Oldgringo wrote:We infidels are the sworn enemies of Islam. Let's pack our gear, get out of that God forsaken place and urge them to continue to kill each other as they've been doing since the dawn of time.

The current POTUS can then bow and apologize for overstaying our welcome, promise it won't happen again and wish them well as we [i]di di mau [/i]out of there.

Wow, been a lot of years since hearing that.
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I think there is more here than meets the eye. Why would a group of people "go crazy" over the burning (or marking up) of a book when the book itself does not suggest that such acts are disrespectful. There is nothing in the Quran that mentions burning it or writing in it is a bad thing. The muslims who kill others over the mere destruction of a book are themselves disrespectful of Islam whose practice is made perfectly clear in the Quran. Killing others is carefully prescribed in the Quran and it definitely does not include killing over burning the Quran.

Here's one verse from the Quran that talks about how serious killing is:

(5:32) Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing.

I am so dismayed that those who call themselves muslims would kill another over the burning of a book. Shame on them. Some day they will face God with their terrible acts.
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hangfour wrote:I think there is more here than meets the eye....
Yes, there is more here than meets the eye. We, the United States, are invaders of their land - pure and simple. The Viet Namese didn't care much for the idea either. Leave these people alone and let them go on doing what they've always done with the knowledge that we will take two or more, "eyes for an eye" should they tread on us.

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