Father Kills Daughter

[Beiruty]

How does this correlate to the Quran telling Muslims to kill the unbelievers where ever they may be found?

Limited to battlefield and combatants at time of war. That is traditional warfare.

The World Trade Centers were a battlefield and the some 3,000 killed in and aound them on 9/11/2001 were all combatants, eh?

Old gringo,

As stated earlier extremists have no regard to tradition or rules of law.

[Oldgringo]

How does this correlate to the Quran telling Muslims to kill the unbelievers where ever they may be found?

Limited to battlefield and combatants at time of war. That is traditional warfare.

The World Trade Centers were a battlefield and the some 3,000 killed in and aound them on 9/11/2001 were all combatants, eh?

Old gringo,

As stated earlier extremists have no regard to tradition or rules of law.

So, where is the cry of outrage and disgust with the jihadist fanatic extremists from the peace loving Muslim majority? When I hear that outpouring of rage and denunciation of murderous terror attacks on non-combatants, I'll re-think my prejudices.

ITMT, I am reminded of my dear old Mother's constant caution of, "...we're known by the company we keep".

and Happy New Year.

[Beiruty]

Here we go again. Will it ever end?

From the Article:

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for Saturday's suicide attack in Khar, through its spokesman, Azam Tariq.
The spokesman suggested the victims may have been targeted because most of them belonged to the Salarzai tribe, which was among the first to set up a militia — known as a lashkar — to fight the Taliban in 2008. Other tribes later formed similar militias to resist the militants.
"All anti-Taliban forces — like lashkars, army and security forces — are our target," he said. "We will strike them whenever we have an opportunity."
The attack killed 45 people, including six policemen, and wounded more than 100, at least 30 critically, said Tariq Khan, a government official in the Bajur region.

[Oldgringo]

Here we go again. Will it ever end?

From the Article:

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for Saturday's suicide attack in Khar, through its spokesman, Azam Tariq.
The spokesman suggested the victims may have been targeted because most of them belonged to the Salarzai tribe, which was among the first to set up a militia — known as a lashkar — to fight the Taliban in 2008. Other tribes later formed similar militias to resist the militants.
"All anti-Taliban forces — like lashkars, army and security forces — are our target," he said. "We will strike them whenever we have an opportunity."
The attack killed 45 people, including six policemen, and wounded more than 100, at least 30 critically, said Tariq Khan, a government official in the Bajur region.

Is this a good thing or is it a bad thing? Just askin...

[Beiruty]

Here we go again. Will it ever end?

From the Article:

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for Saturday's suicide attack in Khar, through its spokesman, Azam Tariq.
The spokesman suggested the victims may have been targeted because most of them belonged to the Salarzai tribe, which was among the first to set up a militia — known as a lashkar — to fight the Taliban in 2008. Other tribes later formed similar militias to resist the militants.
"All anti-Taliban forces — like lashkars, army and security forces — are our target," he said. "We will strike them whenever we have an opportunity."
The attack killed 45 people, including six policemen, and wounded more than 100, at least 30 critically, said Tariq Khan, a government official in the Bajur region.

Is this a good thing or is it a bad thing? Just askin...

Instead of words of condemnation etc., the first to rise and fight are the first to suffer from extremism. Those who are living next to each other on the same land. Extremists would target first Moderate Muslims. This is happened for a long time even before 9/11. Everyone has to do his share to combat extremism, whether by word, pen, or bullets.

[Oldgringo]

Here we go again. Will it ever end?

From the Article:

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for Saturday's suicide attack in Khar, through its spokesman, Azam Tariq.
The spokesman suggested the victims may have been targeted because most of them belonged to the Salarzai tribe, which was among the first to set up a militia — known as a lashkar — to fight the Taliban in 2008. Other tribes later formed similar militias to resist the militants.
"All anti-Taliban forces — like lashkars, army and security forces — are our target," he said. "We will strike them whenever we have an opportunity."
The attack killed 45 people, including six policemen, and wounded more than 100, at least 30 critically, said Tariq Khan, a government official in the Bajur region.

Is this a good thing or is it a bad thing? Just askin...

Instead of words of condemnation etc., the first to rise and fight are the first to suffer from extremism. Those who are living next to each other on the same land. Extremists would target first Moderate Muslims. This is happened for a long time even before 9/11. Everyone has to do his share to combat extremism, whether by word, pen, or bullets.

If the moderate Muslims far outnumber the extremists as we are told, what's the problem? The moderates overpower the extremists by sheer weight of numbers and goodness and peace prevails - or does it go deeper than that?

[Beiruty]

If the moderate Muslims far outnumber the extremists as we are told, what's the problem? The moderates overpower the extremists by sheer weight of numbers and goodness and peace prevails - or does it go deeper than that?

Since there is not a signle Islamic state, and we are living in post WWI world, the extremism is deallt with on local basis. Each contry is dealing with said problem as an internal poblem. Of course, inter-country efforts do happen.

[tallmike]

Beiruty-
Thank you for coming here and sharing this info. I have only been close enough to 2 Muslims to be able to talk openly about their religion and views, and both of them said the same things you say.

I wish there were more Muslims around who could talk about and show how kind and peace loving your religion is when practiced properly. Unfortunately true Muslims are so few and far between (or maybe just really quiet) that many Americans have no meaningful interactions with them at all and so they accept that the news clips of Bin Laden are what a Muslim truly is.

[Oldgringo]

If the moderate Muslims far outnumber the extremists as we are told, what's the problem? The moderates overpower the extremists by sheer weight of numbers and goodness and peace prevails - or does it go deeper than that?

Since there is not a signle Islamic state, and we are living in post WWI world, the extremism is deallt with on local basis. Each contry is dealing with said problem as an internal poblem. Of course, inter-country efforts do happen.

* Beiruty, Are the so-called moderate Muslims denouncing the atrocities committed by their fellow extremist Muslims...anywhere? Again, was the suicide bombing in the marketplace in Pakistan today a good thing or a bad thing? Was the suicide bombing of the WTC's on 9/11/2001 a good thing or a bad thing? Yes or No.

* Tallmike, do you know where you were on 9/11/2001? Does the name Neville Chamberlain ring any bells? Look him up.

[Beiruty]

* Beiruty, Are the so-called moderate Muslims denouncing the atrocities committed by their fellow extremist Muslims...anywhere? Again, was the suicide bombing in the marketplace in Pakistan today a good thing or a bad thing? Was the suicide bombing of the WTC's on 9/11/2001 a good thing or a bad thing? Yes or No.

A) Denouncing extremism by Moderate Muslims? Yes, Check with Egypt, KSA, and Pakistan and Lebanon. In addition to words, and peaceful denunciation (that is warning and educating the moderate masses to not follow the steps of the extremists) Armed struggle do happen almost daily. Check with news from Pakistan. The most threat to KSA royal system is from Extremism led by known actors. It is the same threat to any political system in the Middle East.
B) As per Islamic Law, targeting civilians let alone Muslims Civilians is forbidden. How that heinous act would anything but mad mass murder?
C) Is 9/11 the same? That is the same case for any civilians who are not combatants regardless of their beliefs.

[baldeagle]

No one has suffered more than Muslims from Muslim extremism. Millions of Muslims have died in the name of Islam at the hands of extremists. In Iraq, Muslims were routinely slaughtered by Islamic extremists. In Pakistan and Afghanistan it is the same. (And no I'm not trying to minimize the loss of American lives, but the losses we have suffered pale in comparison to the number of Muslims killed by Islamic extremism.)

The bottom line is, until Muslims deal with the problem, they will continue to have to deal with the negative image in the world and they will continue to have to deal with opprobrium from civilized nations. If the present violence continues, there will be a growing backlash against Muslims and they will have even more to deal with in the future.

Anyone who has followed this issue at all has heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. There are Muslims who speak out. There are just far too few. Many are intimidated to speak out. They have suffered centuries of oppression from tyrannical rulers who have used the radical imams and the murderous elements to suppress opposition.

[Oldgringo]

No one has suffered more than Muslims from Muslim extremism. Millions of Muslims have died in the name of Islam at the hands of extremists. In Iraq, Muslims were routinely slaughtered by Islamic extremists. In Pakistan and Afghanistan it is the same. (And no I'm not trying to minimize the loss of American lives, but the losses we have suffered pale in comparison to the number of Muslims killed by Islamic extremism.)

The bottom line is, until Muslims deal with the problem, they will continue to have to deal with the negative image in the world and they will continue to have to deal with opprobrium from civilized nations. If the present violence continues, there will be a growing backlash against Muslims and they will have even more to deal with in the future.

Anyone who has followed this issue at all has heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. There are Muslims who speak out. There are just far too few. Many are intimidated to speak out. They have suffered centuries of oppression from tyrannical rulers who have used the radical imams and the murderous elements to suppress opposition.

Well said and thank you.

[Beiruty]

Also, one has to never forget that after WW1 and WW2, the whole Arab world and last Islamic sate was divided into piece meals and rulers were appointed, those rulers are driven by power, greed, corruption and tyranny. This of course, was the result of occupation, and the so called the mandate of the colonial powers in the first half of the 20 century. What do you expect to happen other than few who had a nostalgia for an Islamic state and who hated the occupying colonial power (mainly French and British) to strive to build an anti-western culture and their "moral influence". Extremism is only one result. In addition, Nationalistic struggle after the waves and waves of Jews illgeally immigrated to the Palestine and who illegally came and settled under the British Mandate, that only aggravated the problem and left millions of displaced people living in concentration camps till date. That is one more problem to other problems that extremists would use to justify their raison-d'eter.

The problem is more complicated, however, one can only correct the wrong and bad with correct and good medicine. Not through ignorance, tyranny, or malicious intent.

[Oldgringo]

Also, one has to never forget that after WW1 and WW2, the whole Arab world and last Islamic sate was divided into piece meals and rulers were appointed, those rulers are driven by power, greed, corruption and tyranny. This of course, was the result of occupation, and the so called the mandate of the colonial powers in the first half of the 20 century. What do you expect to happen other than few who had a nostalgia for an Islamic state and who hated the occupying colonial power (mainly French and British) to strive to build an anti-western culture and their "moral influence". Extremism is only one result. In addition, Nationalistic struggle after the waves and waves of Jews illgeally immigrated to the Palestine and who illegally came and settled under the British Mandate, that only aggravated the problem and left millions of displaced people living in concentration camps till date. That is one more problem to other problems that extremists would use to justify their raison-d'eter.

The problem is more complicated, however, one can only correct the wrong and bad with correct and good medicine. Not through ignorance, tyranny, or malicious intent.

So, jihadist terrorism is the result of geo-social decisions made by our fathers and their fathers nearly a century ago and has nothing to do with the teachings of the Prophet? That makes sense .

I'd be appalled to learn that not being a Muslim was the cause for fanatic extremists blowing themselves and non-combatants up in schools, churches, marketplaces and anywhere else that non-Muslim civilians might gather.

[cbr600]

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