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On a side note, I did get an e-mail a day or two ago informing me that the Olympic powers that be have stripped Lindsey Vonn of her down hill skiing gold medal and instead awarded it to Obama...reason being they have never seen anyone golawrnk wrote:with obama being a downhill hot potato no one wants to be near
One day, I'd love to pick your brain about the PSL. Everyone says they are ugly, but I love em.PSLOwner wrote:lawrnk wrote: I believe the man to be the worst enemy of the 2nd,.
Based off of anything substantive, or what AM radio is telling you to parrot?
Sir, I'm really glad you are on this forum. I really am. We sometimes get Obama supporters on here, and we try and talk to them. I really hope (and I kinda avoid use of that word nowadays) you will realize that what happened in Australia pales in comparison to what the democrats really want. We have democrats on this forum. Some claim to be 80% liberal, 90% democrat, and 100% supporter of the second. It's like saying I'm vegetarian on only tuesdays. It's frankly, and I mean this from a clinical sense, idiotic. (the term idiot is no longer a classification in psychology.)PSLOwner wrote:No, dont listen to crap like that. Just when other say "they know" without ANYTHING to back that up, then follow with reflex buzz words like "socialism" and "liberal biased media" when comments like that are challenged, that tells me pretty much what I need to know.03Lightningrocks wrote:One more thing, that last little part of your question was unnecessary. You must be parroting what you hear liberal biased media saying since you accuse others of doing this.
PSLOwner wrote:Hey, maybe the fat laws will lead to the "diet chicken mcnugget". Think of the marketing potential!
But yeah, I DID vote for Obama (needed a change after Bush and McCain ran 8 years too late), but I dont trust any of them farther than I can throw them.... well, maybe less than I can throw them.
Good thing about elections every four years, if you dont like what you see...... do something about it.
Anyone want to guess who I voted for?lawrnk wrote:PSLOwner wrote:Hey, maybe the fat laws will lead to the "diet chicken mcnugget". Think of the marketing potential!
But yeah, I DID vote for Obama (needed a change after Bush and McCain ran 8 years too late), but I dont trust any of them farther than I can throw them.... well, maybe less than I can throw them.
Good thing about elections every four years, if you dont like what you see...... do something about it.
Hey, its ok. I voted for McCain. And I held my dang nose while doing it. Most of us did. McCain's a fine man. A war hero even. Generally, I like the man. I love his opinion on right to life, his service... I dislike his infidelity, gun show loop holes, and despicable opinion on the borders. But...we all make mistakes. Odds are, and your profile shows nada, that you are under 30, and maybe you got swept in to the hype. No ones perfect.
Re: Kudos to President Obama
"Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason."PSLOwner wrote:Good thing about elections every four years, if you dont like what you see...... do something about it.
Wow, you try and "talk to them" and you cannot vote for a democrat from time to time and support the constitution at the same time? Frankly, that is prima facie ludicrous. The constitituion applies to everyone, not just those that always vote republican. The level of intolerance being shown by people on both parties is sickening. If Obama said "Lab puppies are cute", Rush Limbaugh would come out and call puppies the devil. If George Bush would have said "kittens are cute", Al Sharpton would come out and call Bush a racist. This needs to stop...... no one listens to what anyone else thinks.lawrnk wrote:Sir, I'm really glad you are on this forum. I really am. We sometimes get Obama supporters on here, and we try and talk to them. I really hope (and I kinda avoid use of that word nowadays) you will realize that what happened in Australia pales in comparison to what the democrats really want. We have democrats on this forum. Some claim to be 80% liberal, 90% democrat, and 100% supporter of the second. It's like saying I'm vegetarian on only tuesdays. It's frankly, and I mean this from a clinical sense, idiotic. (the term idiot is no longer a classification in psychology.)PSLOwner wrote:No, dont listen to crap like that. Just when other say "they know" without ANYTHING to back that up, then follow with reflex buzz words like "socialism" and "liberal biased media" when comments like that are challenged, that tells me pretty much what I need to know.03Lightningrocks wrote:One more thing, that last little part of your question was unnecessary. You must be parroting what you hear liberal biased media saying since you accuse others of doing this.
Sir, you are on a gun forum. What sort of support did you expect for the "community organizer?"PSLOwner wrote:Wow, you try and "talk to them" and you cannot vote for a democrat from time to time and support the constitution at the same time? Frankly, that is prima facie ludicrous. The constitituion applies to everyone, not just those that always vote republican. The level of intolerance being shown by people on both parties is sickening. If Obama said "Lab puppies are cute", Rush Limbaugh would come out and call puppies the devil. If George Bush would have said "kittens are cute", Al Sharpton would come out and call Bush a racist. This needs to stop...... no one listens to what anyone else thinks.lawrnk wrote:Sir, I'm really glad you are on this forum. I really am. We sometimes get Obama supporters on here, and we try and talk to them. I really hope (and I kinda avoid use of that word nowadays) you will realize that what happened in Australia pales in comparison to what the democrats really want. We have democrats on this forum. Some claim to be 80% liberal, 90% democrat, and 100% supporter of the second. It's like saying I'm vegetarian on only tuesdays. It's frankly, and I mean this from a clinical sense, idiotic. (the term idiot is no longer a classification in psychology.)PSLOwner wrote:No, dont listen to crap like that. Just when other say "they know" without ANYTHING to back that up, then follow with reflex buzz words like "socialism" and "liberal biased media" when comments like that are challenged, that tells me pretty much what I need to know.03Lightningrocks wrote:One more thing, that last little part of your question was unnecessary. You must be parroting what you hear liberal biased media saying since you accuse others of doing this.
He had no choice in that one. it was attached to the credit card reform bill, so he would have had to shoot himself in the foot to keep it from happening. The only reason he hasn't attacked gun rights yet is that he has been busy trying to destroy the country with government take over of health care. After he has completed that mission, he will come for the guns. If you can really read that link I sent you and still think this socialist president is not going to make a grab for your guns, you are sadly mistaken.PSLOwner wrote: If he was really intent on banning hand guns (which he could never do), why sign that bill. He is a democrat and they dont have the best history on gun rights (to put it mildly!), so we have to be aware, but I think we can do it with resorting to rumors.
Ah, so his candidate speeches are just words right?PSLOwner wrote:I'm not asking for support of the president. I really don't care who anyone voted for or supports.
I'm just saying that it would be nice to have actual second amendment political discussions based upon facts, not just the same old "he is coming to get us, you count on it" nonsense.
From what I can actually tell, there are no pending bills or laws to limit our 2A rights. I don't care what someone said on the campaign trail (I doubt any politician would be able to withstand that kind of review!) to ditto-heads to sound good during a speach. What has he actually done?
03Lightningrocks wrote:He had no choice in that one. it was attached to the credit card reform bill, so he would have had to shoot himself in the foot to keep it from happening. The only reason he hasn't attacked gun rights yet is that he has been busy trying to destroy the country with government take over of health care. After he has completed that mission, he will come for the guns. If you can really read that link I sent you and still think this socialist president is not going to make a grab for your guns, you are sadly mistaken.PSLOwner wrote: If he was really intent on banning hand guns (which he could never do), why sign that bill. He is a democrat and they dont have the best history on gun rights (to put it mildly!), so we have to be aware, but I think we can do it with resorting to rumors.
lawrnk wrote:
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
2007 In 2007 Gun Owners of America gave President Obama a grade of F.
2006 President Obama supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 100 percent in 2006.
2005 President Obama supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 0 percent in 2005.
2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).
2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).
1998 Based on a questionnaire and the votes that National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund considered to be the most important in 1998, they have assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F-).
And THIS below is only up until 2004.
* 1994 to 2001 – Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
* 1996 – Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
* 1999 – Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
* 2003 – Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
* 2004 – Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.
That was all at the link you claim you read on page one. Are you messing with us???PSLOwner wrote:lawrnk wrote:
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
2007 In 2007 Gun Owners of America gave President Obama a grade of F.
2006 President Obama supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 100 percent in 2006.
2005 President Obama supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 0 percent in 2005.
2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).
2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).
1998 Based on a questionnaire and the votes that National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund considered to be the most important in 1998, they have assigned President Obama a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F-).
And THIS below is only up until 2004.
* 1994 to 2001 – Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
* 1996 – Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
* 1999 – Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
* 2003 – Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
* 2004 – Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.
Yikes....... those are some pretty disappointing facts, to put it mildly. Thanks for posting them. I just prefer discussing things when I see the facts rather than emotions when discussing political issues.
So, is the plan for the NRA and other lobby groups to keep the status quo and hope for a different party in the next election? Since party control of the house and senate ebb and flow with each election, I doubt that the democrats will have a "filibuster" proof majority.
PSLOwner wrote:Hmmmm, interesting and disturbing reading.....
I think I am glad the saying, "cannot put toothpaste back in the tube" probably protects our gun rights more than any politician, right or left wing. Probably explains why ammo and guns are so hard to find on the story shelves. Once they are in our hand, there is no way they can get them back.
