OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

[baldeagle]

...it looks like the officers went white with fear, realizing how stupid they'd been and that they were searching a car, being rude to a man who turns out to have been armed...if it had been a BG...they could easily have been killed...and they overreacted and tried to make it seem his fault...instead of learning from their stupid, unprofessional actions and accepting it as a wake-up call...I wouldn't even wanna have these two working at 7-11...poor and poorer excuse for an LEO...had they been professional and done the right thing, the notification would have been given in a timely manner...

Best part of the video? The cop is calling the CHL holder stupid while being videotaped and audio recorded behaving in a totally unprofessional manner. Tell me again, who's the stupid one?

[cctcaden]

Foxnews.com has this on their home page today

[chasfm11]

Foxnews.com has this on their home page today

They've had a tease running for the last 10 minutes about taking the matter up on their "Is it legal?" panel, on air.

[VMI77]

Meh...

I don't have much sympathy for either party.

The LEO exhibited less than professional behavior, threatened to use unlawful force, and insinuated his partner would support him as a "witness". He's the guy that gives LEO's a bad name to those unwilling to accept the fact that most LEO's perform their duties lawfully and professionally.

The CHL holder had AMPLE time to notify BOTH officers and he FAILED. I'm not buying the "they wouldn't let me speak" excuse, nor am I buying the "...but officer, I wasn't picking up a prostitute" story either.

Fail all around.

While I would agree that the "prompt" notification requirement is indeed vague, you can't argue that the CHL in the video could have been more "prompt" with his notification.

Seriously? Your assessment is "less than professional behavior?" The cops says he hates people with carry permits. Threatens to murder a guy because he has one, and you think the problem is the CHL holder didn't get his words out fast enough? If you were on tape doing that where do you think you'd be right now? And since when is picking up a prostitute a death penalty crime? What would you do if someone with a gun threatened to murder you?

And what difference does it make what some other hypothetical cop does --these guys are on tape threatening to murder someone and stage a cover up, and say they can do it without even losing a nights sleep. These guys shouldn't have a badge or any position with power over another human being for the rest of their lives --they shouldn't even be allowed to manage a Burger King.

[Poldark]

Info and links on the LEO at the center of the alledge incident.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/update- ... ice-video/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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However, a report by the Canton Repository reveals more details. According to its story, Harless was placed on leave on June 20 pending the completion of an internal investigation. And according to the paper, Harless has a history of complaints against him — he has faced 16 internal affairs investigations since 2000 and been reprimanded in the past:

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[VMI77]

Lived in Ohio for 5 years. I am not anti- LEO at all but cops up there tend to be a different breed...especially the state troopers. I had one who lived a couple doors down from that refused to talk to me...even wave for that matter, despite the fact he would bring his kid by the house regularly to sell items to fund the little guy's various sports teams. (Which I did. The kid was a neat little guy).
Anyway, the Ohio cops fought the state's "new" CHL law with a vengence. They lobbied to disallow a CHL to carry unsecured in your own car. ( since repealed I believe). Your CHL was tied to the tags on your car and the cops would pull over CHLs regularly just to harass them. Needless to say, the wife and I did not bother to apply for a CHL while we lived there.
Oh, one more thing, in Ohio if you have an AR15 and a mag that holds over 30 rounds, state law classified your semi auto AR as an "illegal machine gun".
Ohio is definately not a gun friendly state unless said gun is a skeet shotgun, unloaded, locked up and completely inaccessable at all times.

God bless Texas ( and KY too).

I, too, am not anti-LEO. We have a number of good friends here in Texas who are or were LEOs.

I believe that a general LEO mindset is different in much in the Northeast and that the approach from these Ohio LEOs is not much different than that of LEOs in NJ and MD. I worked in Wilmington, DE for a number of years and had part of MD as my territory where I supervised service personnel. We lived in Northern NJ for a number of years and saw LEO interaction with the public. I consider neither of those States to be as gun friendly as Ohio. The interesting paradox for Ohio is neighboring PA. Outside of Philadelphia, PA is generally gun friendly, perhaps even more so than Texas. LEOs there (again outside of Phila.) have neither the same overall attitude nor are gun unfriendly as those in Ohio. What magic happens on the Ohio/PA border, I have no idea but it does seem to be a remarkable transformation.

I've never had an unprofessional stop by a DPS officer, nor any local officer in Texas for that matter. The same is true for Oklahoma.....in fact, I can't remember an unprofessional stop anywhere in the South. I can't say the same for the Northeast though.

[VMI77]

Massive civil rights violations, including a total lack of Miranda, and not one peep from the anti-TSA crowd.

I for one am part of the anti-abuse-of-authority crowd, so I guess that has to make me anti-TSA. Essentially, human beings tend to abuse whatever power they have and in order to prevent such abuses there have to be systemic checks and balances. Our system is in the process of creeping failure. Checks and balances are failing throughout the system at every level from local government right up to Congress and the President. The people who run the TSA have apparently decided they are going to do whatever they want, legal or not, and dare the public to do anything about it, and apparently, big Sis has the full support of Mr. Obama. Since we have a partisan ideologue for an Attorney General and a spineless Congress that services Wall Street instead of Main Street, that essentially means the TSA can do whatever its "leadership" calculates they can get away with, as do other Federal agencies like the BATF.

The TSA is a power hungry bureaucracy, and like all other bureaucracies it is going to act in its own interest and do everything it can to increase its power. It's not just at the airport anymore. It has already conducted illegal searches at train and bus stations, been suggested for screening students at the high school prom, and has stated publicly on numerous occasions that it intends reach out and search Americans everywhere people gather in public. They want to scan you at the mall and on the street and in your car. Accepting their ridiculous excuses for these actions and apologizing for their abuses is like paving a highway to a Police State.

[speedsix]

...that thread on the TSA's around here SOMEWHERE...now where IS it??? that's a great post to add to it...


...back on topic, Fox News just ran this story and played some of the video...now watch the world catch fire!!!

[dihappy]

As I posted in the duplicate thread, my first thought was "Roid Rage." The cop is a pretty beefy guy, and he's clearly and irrationally out of control—even toward the end of the video when he's talking to the other officer trying to justify his behavior. I think that by that point, he was becoming aware that he might have behaved poorly and he felt a need to cover it. Classic guilt behavior. A normally well adjusted person would not have felt the need to explain his behavior because he would have instinctively understood it to be appropriate and not in need of any explanation. A normally well adjusted person would not have let his anger get the best of him like that, and a simple "boy, that guy really ticked me off" or a "boy, that guy was a piece of work, wasn't he?" afterword would have been all that any normal person would have felt the need to say.

The other officer was clearly in much better control of his faculties..... although he did good by searching the back seat while the driver was still in the car. Rookies.......

Well said.

[mamabearCali]

Massive civil rights violations, including a total lack of Miranda, and not one peep from the anti-TSA crowd.

I for one am part of the anti-abuse-of-authority crowd, so I guess that has to make me anti-TSA. Essentially, human beings tend to abuse whatever power they have and in order to prevent such abuses there have to be systemic checks and balances. Our system is in the process of creeping failure. Checks and balances are failing throughout the system at every level from local government right up to Congress and the President. The people who run the TSA have apparently decided they are going to do whatever they want, legal or not, and dare the public to do anything about it, and apparently, big Sis has the full support of Mr. Obama. Since we have a partisan ideologue for an Attorney General and a spineless Congress that services Wall Street instead of Main Street, that essentially means the TSA can do whatever its "leadership" calculates they can get away with, as do other Federal agencies like the BATF.

The TSA is a power hungry bureaucracy, and like all other bureaucracies it is going to act in its own interest and do everything it can to increase its power. It's not just at the airport anymore. It has already conducted illegal searches at train and bus stations, been suggested for screening students at the high school prom, and has stated publicly on numerous occasions that it intends reach out and search Americans everywhere people gather in public. They want to scan you at the mall and on the street and in your car. Accepting their ridiculous excuses for these actions and apologizing for their abuses is like paving a highway to a Police State.

I gotta say this would be great on a TSA post, but as Mr. Jimlongley asked where they were I guess he brought that topic in here in a very very minor way. Love the post.

[dihappy]

Canton’s internal affairs unit has investigated 16 complaints involving Harless dating back to 2000.

He was reprimanded in one 2003 case. Harless and another officer were exonerated of using excessive force, but were given a letter of reprimand for not activating the in-car video camera at the scene per department policy.

[speedsix]

...well, you can't say they don't learn...this one's in living color with popcorn (extra butter???)

[boba]

That's less than two a year. We wouldn't think less of a neighbor just because he was arrested 16 times in a dozen years, as long as he was never convicted, right?

[Bob in Big D]

With the other reprimands and complaints this guy has I suspect they have a mangement problem in Canton that starts at the Chief and rolls downhill.

[Beiruty]

Interview with the driver: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_ ... ce-officer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Note from the court paper:

A court summons indicated, "Subject had concealed upon his person one .38 Cal Ruger pistol that was loaded and ready to fire. Subject did not inform police officers that he had a CCW permit through Stark County until the weapon was discovered during a pat down of his person during a traffic stop of his vehicle."

The above statement contradicts what is in the video, since he clearly had the CHL in one hand and DL in the other and told the officer that his armed before the pat down. This gets him cleared quickly by the judge.