we have reciprocity with MichiganseamusTX wrote:You could just ask them to clean your pistol and pick it up on the way back.AV8R wrote:What was surprising, though, was how many 'smiths I talked with who just couldn't seem to grasp what I wanted them to do.
Check the state and local laws, though. I don't know about Michigan. In Illinois, it's illegal to posses any firearm or ammunition without a state ID, and in Chicago it's illegal to possess a handgun at all. I hope Michigan isn't that bad.
- Jim
Places off-limits while carrying
Date updated: Aug 26, 2005 @ 9:14 pm
Premises On Which Carrying Concealed Weapon Prohibited can be found in
MCL 28.425o or on the Michigan State Police Web Site.
Beginning July 1, 2001, individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state will be prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol in the following areas:
1. *Schools or school property but may carry in the while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian. (Act 719 allows carry in parking lots. See below)
2. Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.
3. Sports arena or stadium
4. A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises
5. Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons
6. An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more
7. A hospital
8. A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university
9. A Casino
10. Premises does not include parking areas of the above places
Admin note
*It is our understanding that Act 719 of July 1, 2003 has exempted parking lots as restricted areas, including school parking lots. Therefore the Drop-off/pick-up kids provision is no longer required.
Michigan State Representative Scott Hummel, the author of Act 719 stated his intent of the exemption in an e-mail
I wanted to let you know that it is my understanding that parking lots of schools are no longer restricted. One of the problems I sought to address was the problem experienced when a family member is licensed and carrying and has a last-minute request to pick up children. I have no reason to believe that this exemption would carry over to other areas of school property.
This understanding is shared by Dave Felbeck (past President MCRGO), Daniel Bambery, Attorney counsel (MCRGO), the Clinton County Prosecutors Office and the Bath Township Police Chief. As always, check with your local authorities.
For those that do not have a CPL and have a firearm in their vehicle for other lawful purposes (Hunting, target purposes, etc.) you can have an unloaded and properly locked weapon in your vehicle. The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1995 provides for firearms on school property in several ways. Section 922 (q) of title 18, United states code (2) (B) Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to the possession of a firearm (iii) which is-- (I) Not Loaded; and (II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack which is on a motor vehicle;. Therefore a person who is lawfully entitled to posses a firearm may have it on school grounds (Parking Lot) provided you meet (I) and (II) above.
A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CCW permit holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The following penalties may also be imposed:
* First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CCW permit suspended 6 months
* Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CCW permit revoked
* Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CCW permit revoked
Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:
"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court’s written policy."
28.425c
Sec. 5c.
(2) Subject to section 5o and except as otherwise provided by law, a license to carry a concealed pistol issued by the county concealed weapon licensing board authorizes the licensee to do all of the following:
(a) Carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person anywhere in this state.
(b) Carry a pistol in a vehicle, whether concealed or not concealed, anywhere in this state.
MSP website: Does my valid Concealed Pistol License allow me to carry a concealed pistol in a state park? Yes. MCL 324.504 states that the DNR cannot promulgate or enforce a rule that prohibits a ccw holder from carrying on property under the control of the DNR.
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Car/Gun law summary
Date updated: Jul 28, 2005 @ 8:54 pm
From the Michigan State Police Web Site.
7. If I do not have a CCW permit, may I transport my pistol in a motor vehicle?
Answer A person is now permitted to transport a pistol for a lawful purpose if the owner or occupant of the vehicle is the registered owner of the firearm and the pistol is unloaded and in a closed case in the trunk of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the pistol may be in the passenger compartment of the vehicle unloaded and inaccessible to the occupants of the vehicle.
The law defines ‘lawful purpose’ as:
* While en route to or from a hunting or target shooting area.
* While transporting a pistol to or from home or place of business and a place of repair.
* While moving goods from one place of residence or business to another place of residence or business.
* While transporting a licensed pistol to or from a law enforcement agency for the purpose of having a safety inspection performed (registering the pistol) or to have a law enforcement official take possession of the pistol.
* While en route to or from home or place of business to a gun show or place of purchase or sale.
* While en route to or from home to a public shooting facility or land where the discharge of firearms is permitted.
* While en route to or from home to private property where the pistol is to be used as permitted by law, rule, regulation, or local ordinance.
Federal Law on the Transportation of Firearms. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 926A
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Must inform Law Enforcement when Carrying
Date updated: Aug 26, 2005 @ 9:14 pm
28.425f
Sec. 5f.
(1) An individual who is licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol shall have his or her license to carry that pistol in his or her possession at all times he or she is carrying a concealed pistol.
(2) An individual who is licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol and who is carrying a concealed pistol shall show both of the following to a peace officer upon request by that peace officer:
(a) His or her license to carry a concealed pistol.
(b) His or her driver license or Michigan personal identification card.
(3) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol and who is carrying a concealed pistol and who is stopped by a peace officer shall immediately disclose to the peace officer that he or she is carrying a pistol concealed upon his or her person or in his or her vehicle.
HB 6337,
Effective 1 July 2003, requires "immediate" disclosure by a CPL who is carrying at that time. CPL's who are not carrying need not disclose: HB 6337 states this explicitly. Note: "immediately" is not defined in the law.
