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ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:25 am
by alvins
i found out my cousin customises ar 15's and resells them to people.basically he buys the basic gun and then adds the accessories and whatever. I know he doesnt have an ffl. does anyone know if its required or no? seems kinda illegal to me but i just wanted to see if anyone knew.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:26 am
by HeeHaw
If he is buying a gun with the intention of reselling it, then yes that would be illegal as he would be considered a dealer.

I think a lot of people do that though. Could be bad for him if he got caught doing it.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:47 am
by alvins
oh yes he is buying them specifically to resell them.he wants me to buy one and cant figure out why i think ar15's are impractical for what i want.honestly i dont see how he makes money doing it but oh well.

he is one of those people who think the government has no right to regulate or tax anything.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:03 pm
by HeeHaw
He will regret it once he gets busted and becomes a felon and loses his right to even own a gun.

It is okay to occasionally sell a gun person to person from a private collection. But doing what he is doing is going to get him in trouble. I would try and talk some sense into him if I were you.

I had a buddy who just last week asked me if he could do that. When I told him the possible consequences he changed his tune in a big hurry.

The small amount of money that could be made is no where near being worth what he could lose.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:27 pm
by pbwalker
HeeHaw wrote:He will regret it once he gets busted and becomes a felon and loses his right to even own a gun.

It is okay to occasionally sell a gun person to person from a private collection. But doing what he is doing is going to get him in trouble. I would try and talk some sense into him if I were you.

I had a buddy who just last week asked me if he could do that. When I told him the possible consequences he changed his tune in a big hurry.

The small amount of money that could be made is no where near being worth what he could lose.
:iagree: X10

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:41 pm
by OldCannon
If he's going "quickie" work where the customer remains within visible possession of the firearm, he can do the work. If somebody leaves the firearm with him, he's a "gunsmith" and is subject to the laws laid out by the ATF. Read the ATF's Gunsmith FAQ here:http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/gunsmiths.html

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:24 pm
by alvins
heh no he buys the parts and assembles them and such. and then sells them to people.... mainly rednecks.

even if i told him what he is doing is illegal he would just tell me the government has no right to do anything about it. thats why i usually never talk to him.

I buy guns with the intent to NEVER sell them.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:58 pm
by RECIT
Big NO NO. But tons of people do it don't get caught and keep doing it. Not worth my rights to make a few bucks. And I mean a FEW. Sounds like some of the sellers on texasguntrader.com Buy something at retail price and turn around and mark it up 20% and put rare/custom in the listing title and viola.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 4:07 pm
by muleman
im offended by the redneck comment. "rlol"

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:00 pm
by OldCannon
RECIT wrote:Sounds like some of the sellers on texasguntrader.com Buy something at retail price and turn around and mark it up 20% and put rare/custom in the listing title and viola.
And equally annoying is when you post something for a very fair value on TGT and somebody offers you half of what you asked -- then gets offended when you say no. I've certainly learned that TGT has demographics that are statistically no different than Craigslist.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:12 pm
by RECIT
lkd wrote:And equally annoying is when you post something for a very fair value on TGT and somebody offers you half of what you asked -- then gets offended when you say no. I've certainly learned that TGT has demographics that are statistically no different than Craigslist.
That is so true.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:08 am
by Grog
If he were building guns from parts (even as simple as buying a complete lower and a complete upper), he would also be getting around the Federal Excise Tax.

For firearms, I think that is 11%.


While the ATF will just try to shoot you and burn your house down, the IRS will send an agent to the afterlife to collect their money.

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:49 pm
by OldCannon
Grog wrote:...the IRS will send an agent to the afterlife to collect their money.
Send one?!! Where I'm probably going, I'm sure there's a LOT of IRS agents already there "rlol"

Re: ffl or not?

Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:07 pm
by megs
Grog wrote:While the ATF will just try to shoot you and burn your house down, the IRS will send an agent to the afterlife to collect their money.
"Now my advice for those who die. Declare the pennies on your eyes." - The Beatles