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These words didn't come from Obama's mouth, but believe he thinks the exact same way!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ

Wouldn't "Maxine Waters and Communism" have been a more appropriate title to this thread?

I guess I don't keep up with senators enough cause I have not noticed Maxine before. But after watching that just brings on the point more and more that the governement wants to switch to socialist governement.

txmatt wrote:Wouldn't "Maxine Waters and Communism" have been a more appropriate title to this thread?

No...

By the way, Obama wants to tell you what you can eat, drive, and the temp of your home (if you missed that article.) But thankfully, he is here from the government, and here to help us all.

This is a photo of the Obama headquarters in Houston, TX

Any questions?

txmatt wrote:Wouldn't "Maxine Waters and Communism" have been a more appropriate title to this thread?

Only if you believe honesty and accuracy is better than yellow journalism.

lawrnk wrote:These words didn't come from Obama's mouth

But these did.

"What I believe is that there is a Second Amendment right. I think it is an individual right."

"If you are a gun owner here in South Dakota who uses your gun to hunt or to protect your family and does so in a lawful way, then you have nothing to worry about from me."

He has also expressed a desire to see concealed carry done away with. I see a little bit of a disconnect between those two points of view.

In my mind, you can't have it both ways.

amber wrote:

lawrnk wrote:These words didn't come from Obama's mouth

But these did.

"What I believe is that there is a Second Amendment right. I think it is an individual right."

"If you are a gun owner here in South Dakota who uses your gun to hunt or to protect your family and does so in a lawful way, then you have nothing to worry about from me."

I have some purple koolaid for you. Welcome to the board, by the way. Are you a fan of Obama?

amber wrote: Only if you believe honesty and accuracy is better than yellow journalism.

Here is some honesty and accuracy for you. I'm amazed at how many brainwashed Americans are in the country.

Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated: Obama
Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens10 Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11 Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12 Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13 Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14 Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15 Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16 Pro-gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17 Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18 Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19 Anti-gun




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1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.
2Ibid.
3O.Kay Henderson, "Three leading Democrats talk about gun control," Radio Iowa News, April 22, 2007.
4James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
5Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
6Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
7See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
8John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
9Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
10See supra note 6.
11About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
12See supra note 5.
13As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
14On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
15On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up-your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti-gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
16On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
17On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
18Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
19See supra note 4.

ProudNativeTexican wrote:I guess I don't keep up with senators enough cause I have not noticed Maxine before....

Here you go. Enjoy!

amber wrote:

txmatt wrote:Wouldn't "Maxine Waters and Communism" have been a more appropriate title to this thread?

Only if you believe honesty and accuracy is better than yellow journalism.

See her quote in the video I linked above. That is not yellow journalism. That's a fact. Her words. Her mouth. She is a communist. She practically admits it herself, right there on video. If she's not a communist, then she's an idiot of the first water to say the things she said.

lawrnk wrote:1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.

That doesn't bother me and it doesn't make Obama a Communist.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

amber wrote:

txmatt wrote:Wouldn't "Maxine Waters and Communism" have been a more appropriate title to this thread?

Only if you believe honesty and accuracy is better than yellow journalism.

See her quote in the video I linked above. That is not yellow journalism. That's a fact. Her words. Her mouth. She is a communist. She practically admits it herself, right there on video. If she's not a communist, then she's an idiot of the first water to say the things she said.

Yes and hence "Maxine Waters and Communism" would have been an appropriate title for this thread. It has nothing to do with Obama, at least not directly. I put this in the same category as when people on this board (or elsewhere) emphasize Obama's middle name or imply that he is some kind of secret Muslim. If you want to find stuff that shows Obama has Socialist tendencies, it's not that hard, and that would be something that would be worth talking about and criticizing him about. Or if you want to bring up the fact that he wants the federal government to ban CHLs or how he thinks the second amendment is about target shooting and hunting and how he is not opposed to the idea of prosecuting people in Chicago who defend themselves using pre-ban handguns these would also be worth talking about as these are legitimate, important, factual issues that most of us here (Amber excepted) would agree make him impossible to vote for. [/rant]

OTOH I think amber agreed with me so maybe I am wrong.

amber wrote:

lawrnk wrote:1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.

That doesn't bother me and it doesn't make Obama a Communist.

You quote me on a reference that I didn't even post an article about?

Sad. Did you even read what I posted?
Let me post it again as you clearly missed it.

Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated: Obama
Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens10 Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11 Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12 Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13 Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14 Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15 Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16 Pro-gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17 Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18 Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19 Anti-gun
Listen. If you want to come on here and convince us that Obama is a friend to the gun owner, I think you found the wrong board. You might be looking for this site http://www.cpusa.org/ Play the tapes about hope and change, and bow to the red star.