Obama: D.C. Gun Ban is Constitutional

[Charles L. Cotton]

I bet Senator Obama wishes he could take this statement back. Pay particular attention to the first part of this video when Obama acknowledges that he "supports the D.C. handgun ban, and that it's constitutional." On the campaign trail after the Supreme Court handed down the Heller decision, he started saying that he has always felt the Second Amendment was an individual right, but that it is subject to reasonable restrictions.

According to this philosophy, an individual right certainly doesn't mean much to Barack Obama.

Chas.

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"Just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right."
-- 2008 Philadelphia Democratic Primary Debate

[dihappy]

Uhh, he didnt even answer the question.

For the sake of argument, he says that the NRA wants NO REGULATION, but DC says NO ONE can own a h andgun, and YOU SUPORTED that OBAMA.

Now you want to call that "Reasonable", "Common Sense"? I dont think so.

[tbranch]

Obama simply tells people what they want to hear and many fall in behind him. Unlike Michelle Obama, I'm proud of my country having served in its Armed Forces for 21 years, but I am ashamed of the sheep who blindly follow this man and believe everything written by the mainstream media. Let’s hope McCain can go on the offensive and conduct a strike that will change the course of this election.

I note he has removed any reference to 2A from his website and now talks about supporting hunters and anglers.

Tom

[nitrogen]

Obama simply tells people what they want to hear and many fall in behind him.

So does McCain. The big difference is he gets a pass on the gun issue because he's a Republican. He changed his stance on the assault weapons ban; not to mention about everything else this election cycle.

At least Obama is pretty on track about being a democrat/socialist.

Forget both of them. I'm voting for Bob Barr.

[Skiprr]

Sorry, Nitro. On this we disagree.

A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama.

Obama is absolutely the most anti-gun president we could elect.

We have two choices: Obama or McCain. If you don't vote McCain, you're voting Obama.

I'm not saying that's the way it should be, or the way the Founders thought it would be. But we have a two-party electorate.

You vote "Barr," and Obama chuckles all the way to the bank...

[Charles L. Cotton]

Obama simply tells people what they want to hear and many fall in behind him.

So does McCain. The big difference is he gets a pass on the gun issue because he's a Republican. He changed his stance on the assault weapons ban; not to mention about everything else this election cycle.

At least Obama is pretty on track about being a democrat/socialist.

Forget both of them. I'm voting for Bob Barr.

McCain has consistently opposed the assault weapons ban. He has opposed us on only two issues; 1) background checks at gun shows; and 2) the Campaign Finance Reform Act.

Chas.

[Liberty]

Sorry, Nitro. On this we disagree.

A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama.

Obama is absolutely the most anti-gun president we could elect.

We have two choices: Obama or McCain. If you don't vote McCain, you're voting Obama.

I'm not saying that's the way it should be, or the way the Founders thought it would be. But we have a two-party electorate.

You vote "Barr," and Obama chuckles all the way to the bank...

That simply isn't true. While most of us understand that Obama is the worst of a terrible choice. The presidential election is about electoral Votes. Winner Take all. History and all polls indicate Texas will go overwhelmingly in Favor of Mc Cain and Palin. A few percentage votes though will make a clear statement to the Republican party that there are people who do not approve of the the candidate they have given us. There were several Republicans running for the office and they chose the worst they could think of to run up against a strong Democratic Candidate. It is time to wake up and realize that the Republicans have turned into Democrats and as long as they believe that conservatives have no other choice but to vote for them. We will continue get the quality of candidates that we have this year.

Things worth remembering when we go to Vote:
McCain is not pro 2nd Amendment He is in favor of :

McCain favors outlawing cheaply made handguns called Saturday night specials, and favors mandating safety locks on certain guns. He said he is intrigued by new technology that electronically identifies a person handling a gun, allowing only the owner to fire it. McCain rallied Senate Republicans behind a Democratic measure requiring background checks at gun shows.

Supports ban on certain assault weapons


McCain was Co-sponser of Mcain Fiengold which would ban newspars tv or internet forums and blogs from speaking about presidential race candidates or issues. It also would limit organizations from speaking up or supporting issues, The NTRA Fer Instance.

While the Republicans had control of the House the Senate and the White,.. They even out did the Democrats while they held the whole hat trick under Clinton with Pork and spending.

While the Dems and Republicans and McCain and Obama play the blame game McCain was one of the Keaton 5,

Go ahead and vote for the only candidate who truly is the only candidate that supports the RKBA unconditionally. Obama isn't going to win in Texas, but maybe just maybe, someone will understand that some of us in Texas just aren't happy with the dish that the Republican party has served us. And maybe this time our votes might actually mean something.

[KBCraig]

A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama.

This is simply not true, unless the voter would have voted for McCain instead of Barr.

If the voter would not have voted for McCain anyway, a 3rd party vote doesn't affect the race between McCain and Obama.

If the voter would have voted for Obama but opts for a 3rd party instead, then that is a vote against Obama.

And of course if a voter would have otherwise stayed home, a 3rd party vote neither helps nor hurts either major candidate.

A lot of Republicans still blame Ross Perot for Bill Clinton being elected, but research and polls showed that he drew equally from both parties.

[Charles L. Cotton]

A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama.

This is simply not true, unless the voter would have voted for McCain instead of Barr.

If the voter would not have voted for McCain anyway, a 3rd party vote doesn't affect the race between McCain and Obama.

If the voter would have voted for Obama but opts for a 3rd party instead, then that is a vote against Obama.

And of course if a voter would have otherwise stayed home, a 3rd party vote neither helps nor hurts either major candidate.

A lot of Republicans still blame Ross Perot for Bill Clinton being elected, but research and polls showed that he drew equally from both parties.

Obama supporters aren't about to vote for Bob Barr! The only people who will vote for Bob Barr are strong conservatives.

Chas.

[Charles L. Cotton]

John McCain isn't my chosen candidate, but he has supported gun owners in every issue that came to a vote, except for 1) background checks at gun shows; and 2) campaign finance reform. He still supports background checks at gun shows, but he also admitted that the campaign finance reform went too far.

The quotes below are from http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_Mc ... ontrol.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Prosecute criminals, not citizens for gun ownership
John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals--criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway.
Source: Campaign website, http://www.johnmccain.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007

Don't hold gun manufacturers liable for crimes
John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry. McCain says, "Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal."
Source: Campaign website, http://www.johnmccain.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007

Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and ammunition types

* McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans.
* McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations.
* McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing."

Source: Campaign website, http://www.johnmccain.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, "Issues" Sep 1, 2007

Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban
McCain spoke generally of the need for some tighter gun controls on hardened criminals and children. In Congress, he pressured his colleagues to require background checks for buyers at guns shows, and he supported a requirement that trigger locks be sold with handguns. But the Senator opposed the two major gun-control measures of recent years, the 1994 ban on several types of assault weapons and the Brady Bill, which required a 5-day waiting period for handgun purchases.
Source: Todd S. Purdum, New York Times, p. A14 Aug 17, 1999

Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use

* McCain supports the following principles regarding gun issues: Repeal federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms by law-abiding citizens.
* Favor allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms.
* McCain says, �There are penalties for criminals who use firearms.�

Source: Project Vote Smart, 1998, http://www.vote-smart.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Jul 2, 1998

Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence.
Vote to pass a bill that would block certain civil lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers and importers of firearms and ammunition, mainly those lawsuits aimed at making them liable for gun violence. In this bill, trade groups would also be protected The bill would call for the dismissal of pending lawsuits against the gun industry. The exception would be lawsuits regarding a defect in a weapon or ammunition. It also would provide a 10-year reauthorization of the assault weapons ban which is set to expire in September 2004. The bill would increase the penalties for gun-related violent or drug trafficking crimes which have not resulted in death, to a minimum of 15 years imprisonment. The bill calls for criminal background checks on all firearm transactions at gun shows where at least 75 guns are sold. Exemptions would be made available for dealers selling guns from their homes as well as members-only gun swaps and meets carried out by nonprofit hunting clubs.
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S.1805/H.R.1036 ; vote number 2004-30 on Mar 2, 2004

Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks.
Vote to table [kill] an amendment to make it unlawful for gun dealers to sell handguns without providing trigger locks. Violation of the law would result in civil penalties, such as suspension or revocation of the dealer's license, or a fine.
Reference: Bill S 2260 ; vote number 1998-216 on Jul 21, 1998

Some of the quoted information is from McCain's website and some from other sources. The only reason I included some information dating to 1999 and 1998 is because some of the allegations leveled against him (ex. Saturday Night Specials) are that old. It's important to look at his entire record. If Bob Barr was running instead of Barack Obama, it would be easy to vote for Bob, but he's not.

Chas.

[KBCraig]

Obama supporters aren't about to vote for Bob Barr! The only people who will vote for Bob Barr are strong conservatives.

Barr is the nominee of the Libertarian Party. The LP membership comes slightly more from a Democrat background, than Republican.

It's absolutely incorrect to say that no one will be voting for Barr instead of Obama; I know quite a few people who would vote for Obama (or against McCain) if there was no LP candidate.

[TxRVer]

It's absolutely incorrect to say that no one will be voting for Barr instead of Obama; I know quite a few people who would vote for Obama (or against McCain) if there was no LP candidate.

Well, anybody that changes his vote from Obama to Barr has my support.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Obama supporters aren't about to vote for Bob Barr! The only people who will vote for Bob Barr are strong conservatives.

Barr is the nominee of the Libertarian Party. The LP membership comes slightly more from a Democrat background, than Republican.

It's absolutely incorrect to say that no one will be voting for Barr instead of Obama; I know quite a few people who would vote for Obama (or against McCain) if there was no LP candidate.

Are you telling us that Libertarians support Obama? Say what you wish, but I'm not buying it. I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one. I haven't heard one Obama supporter saying they're switched their votes to Barr, but I've heard a few conservatives saying just that.

Chas.

[Liberty]

Obama supporters aren't about to vote for Bob Barr! The only people who will vote for Bob Barr are strong conservatives.

Barr is the nominee of the Libertarian Party. The LP membership comes slightly more from a Democrat background, than Republican.

It's absolutely incorrect to say that no one will be voting for Barr instead of Obama; I know quite a few people who would vote for Obama (or against McCain) if there was no LP candidate.

Are you telling us that Libertarians support Obama? Say what you wish, but I'm not buying it. I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one. I haven't heard one Obama supporter saying they're switched their votes to Barr, but I've heard a few conservatives saying just that.

Chas.

It is also absurd to claim that Barr posses any threat to McCain winning all the electoral votes in Texas. Those who wish to vote for the true RKBA party and candidate should feel free to vote with their conscience and not worry that that Obama is going to walk away with any Texan Electoral College votes.. Voting for McCain will tell the Republican party that we approved of the candidate they foisted upon us. If someone really likes McCain and feels he is a good candidate they should vote for McCain. But there is no reason to vote for this guy if you really don't believe in him. Texas ain't gonna vote for Obama no way will it even be close. Even Obama and McCain know it so they aren't wasting any energy and money campaining here. They know its all sewn up.

[KBCraig]

Barr is the nominee of the Libertarian Party. The LP membership comes slightly more from a Democrat background, than Republican.

It's absolutely incorrect to say that no one will be voting for Barr instead of Obama; I know quite a few people who would vote for Obama (or against McCain) if there was no LP candidate.

Are you telling us that Libertarians support Obama?

No.

I said that more LPers come from a "liberal" viewpoint (in today's terminology) than from conservatism, and would vote for Obama instead of McCain if those were the only two choices.

I am not one of those, but I recognize the trend.

Say what you wish, but I'm not buying it. I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one. I haven't heard one Obama supporter saying they're switched their votes to Barr, but I've heard a few conservatives saying just that.

Today's most prominent and popular libertarian blogger is Radley Balko. By his own admission, he comes to libertarianism from the liberal end of the spectrum. In a column just today, he explained his biases, and explained why he will be voting for Barr, but would never vote for McCain.

(Mild profanity warning):
http://www.theagitator.com/2008/10/06/h ... my-biases/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You don't have to "buy" anything I have to say, but I am pretty involved and in tune with the political spectrum ranging from libertarianism to anarcho-capitalism, agorism, and voluntaryism.

Kevin