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Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:18 pm
by parabelum
"Texas Republicans were poised Wednesday to take a big step toward banning "sanctuary cities" in their state, debating a bill through which
police chiefs and sheriffs could even be jailed for not cooperating fully with federal immigration authorities."
Very nice.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 6-17-31-14
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:21 pm
by ninjabread
Maybe they can share a cell with the people posting 30.06 signs on government property.
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:35 pm
by AJSully421
ninjabread wrote:Maybe they can share a cell with the people posting 30.06 signs on government property.
You have got my vote for that.
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:51 am
by KC5AV
The problem is, someone will appeal the law, and some liberal judge will rule that it infringes on freedom of speech, etc....
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:02 pm
by TexasJohnBoy
KC5AV wrote:The problem is, someone will appeal the law, and some liberal judge will rule that it infringes on freedom of speech, etc....
I see a possible issue coming up on the 4th amendment. Asking for identification on a simple detention without an arrest/probable cause could be construed as a violation of your 4th amendment right.
The "arrest" verbiage was better, IMHO. Then again, as an LTC holder, if an LEO asks me for my ID for any reason, I'm expected to cough up my papers, so I don't really see a huge issue, but its not my opinion that matters. It's the judge's.
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:41 pm
by SewTexas
I thought you weren't required to carry id? if that's the case, this makes no sense. I haven't seen the Senate version of this, has anyone else?
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:56 pm
by WTR
SewTexas wrote:I thought you weren't required to carry id? if that's the case, this makes no sense. I haven't seen the Senate version of this, has anyone else?
You are only required to provide valid ID if you are under arrest.
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:09 pm
by ScottDLS
WTR wrote:SewTexas wrote:I thought you weren't required to carry id? if that's the case, this makes no sense. I haven't seen the Senate version of this, has anyone else?
You are only required to provide valid ID if you are under arrest.
What if you don't have one? Is that an additional criminal charge?
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:11 pm
by Jusme
WTR wrote:SewTexas wrote:I thought you weren't required to carry id? if that's the case, this makes no sense. I haven't seen the Senate version of this, has anyone else?
You are only required to provide valid ID if you are under arrest.
Even then you are not required to carry or show a government issued ID. You are required to truthfully identify. In Texas it's called failure to identify, and can be added to any charge, if it is prove that you provided false identity. When I was a LEO, the county where I worked would add the six months on to whatever sentence you were given.
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:12 pm
by MojaveMan
Be careful what you wish for. It wasn't very long ago that I was VERY happy to see sheriffs standing up to the feds and saying "I will NOT enforce any federal law which violates my constituent's 2nd amendment rights, and will defend their right to keep and bear arms".
I don't think you can cherry pick here - either you think its your sheriff's job to be involved in enforcing federal law, or you don't. I, for one, prefer to keep them separate.
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:23 pm
by ScottDLS
Jusme wrote:WTR wrote:SewTexas wrote:I thought you weren't required to carry id? if that's the case, this makes no sense. I haven't seen the Senate version of this, has anyone else?
You are only required to provide valid ID if you are under arrest.
Even then you are not required to carry or show a government issued ID. You are required to truthfully identify. In Texas it's called failure to identify, and can be added to any charge, if it is prove that you provided false identity. When I was a LEO, the county where I worked would add the six months on to whatever sentence you were given.
May you remain silent?
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:36 pm
by WTR
ScottDLS wrote:Jusme wrote:WTR wrote:SewTexas wrote:I thought you weren't required to carry id? if that's the case, this makes no sense. I haven't seen the Senate version of this, has anyone else?
You are only required to provide valid ID if you are under arrest.
Even then you are not required to carry or show a government issued ID. You are required to truthfully identify. In Texas it's called failure to identify, and can be added to any charge, if it is prove that you provided false identity. When I was a LEO, the county where I worked would add the six months on to whatever sentence you were given.
May you remain silent?
You can if you are not arrested.
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:42 pm
by WTR
MojaveMan wrote:Be careful what you wish for. It wasn't very long ago that I was VERY happy to see sheriffs standing up to the feds and saying "I will NOT enforce any federal law which violates my constituent's 2nd amendment rights, and will defend their right to keep and bear arms".
I don't think you can cherry pick here - either you think its your sheriff's job to be involved in enforcing federal law, or you don't. I, for one, prefer to keep them separate.
They only determine immigration status if you are arrested ( not just stopped). Then you are reported to ICE if you are illegal.
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:46 pm
by SewTexas
WTR wrote:MojaveMan wrote:Be careful what you wish for. It wasn't very long ago that I was VERY happy to see sheriffs standing up to the feds and saying "I will NOT enforce any federal law which violates my constituent's 2nd amendment rights, and will defend their right to keep and bear arms".
I don't think you can cherry pick here - either you think its your sheriff's job to be involved in enforcing federal law, or you don't. I, for one, prefer to keep them separate.
They only determine immigration status if you are arrested ( not just stopped). Then you are reported to ICE if you are illegal.
the bill that passed the house states that the may ask for immigration status if "detained"
Re: Texas poised to pass 'Sanctuary City' ban with jail penalty
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:50 pm
by ScottDLS
WTR wrote:ScottDLS wrote:Jusme wrote:WTR wrote:SewTexas wrote:I thought you weren't required to carry id? if that's the case, this makes no sense. I haven't seen the Senate version of this, has anyone else?
You are only required to provide valid ID if you are under arrest.
Even then you are not required to carry or show a government issued ID. You are required to truthfully identify. In Texas it's called failure to identify, and can be added to any charge, if it is prove that you provided false identity. When I was a LEO, the county where I worked would add the six months on to whatever sentence you were given.
May you remain silent?
You can if you are not arrested.
Can you remain silent if you ARE arrested or do they just give you that Miranda warning for show?
