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The discussion is starting out there in the Hillary newsmedia. In this article an Obama pardon for Hillary is suggested if she wins.

I have assumed there would be a Obama pardon for Hillary and all her troops, whether she wins or loses.

I did not like it when Ford did it. I will not like it when Obama does it.

One exception, if Bill and Hillary are convicted and sentenced to prison, if I was President I would pardon them after they spent a day in jail, as long as their minions spend a lot of time in jail. I always want the minions to know that they go to jail when the boss asks them to do something illegal that the boss will not be punished for.

Or witch pardons BO...

Quid pro quo. He'll pardon her and then if she wins she'll pardon him.

I've thought about this recently quite a bit. The reason he is on the road so much campaigning for her to win the Presidency is because then he is not face with that question. It will be a legal mess for all the constitutional scholars to figure out if he pardons her can she still take office? Does he even have to? That mess is what he is hoping for. If DT wins, he will have to pardon 10+ maybe 20+ high ranking State Dept. officials, DOJ officials, All of the Clintons and their advisors, and any other Clinton foundation employee tied up in the mess.

So he's caught. He can be the first African American President known for passing the worst healthcare law, authoring the worst nuclear deal in history, blowing up the middle east, etc., and still say I tried and walk away with some integrity. Or he can be the first African American President that did all the afore mentioned failures and be involved in and pardon the most corrupt enterprise that infected our Government in the history of our nation.

I don't think he'll do it.

I'll bite. Hillary will be elected the Historic First Woman President. President Obama will declare that the "people" have spoken and order the Justice Dept and the FBI to stand down, AG Lynch will happily comply. No charges will be brought, since no grand jury will be impaneled. The press will declare that this is much ado about nothing and nothing she did was illegal. 55% has no idea what the scandal is about, so they will switch to Dancing with the Stars before their eyes glaze over. When Hillary is inaugurated, she will set the three letter agencies (DOJ, IRS, FBI, ATF) on getting back at the people that annoyed her and/or supported Trump. She'll appoint a couple more wise Latinas or leftist Harvard professors to the SCOTUS. No problem flying through Senate when Majority Leader Chuck Schumer uses "the nuclear option" if the spineless Republicans can even get 40 Senators to support a filibuster. It will take a year or so, but eventually we'll see a new 1994 style "assault weapon ban only with fewer loopholes. I don't see confiscation (yet), but I see a ban on transfer of semi-autos, so what you have will be what you get. There probably will be a strong push for a ban on "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" greater than 10 rounds (or as I like to call them...big clips). A few states will probably resist, but you won't be using your "hi-caps" at the range or for self defense unless you want to "take the ride" to the Federal pen. Most ranges are owned by FFL dealers, so you bet THEY won't let you shoot. I see NICS check for ammo purchases and limited quantity and caliber. Some kind of FFL required for reloaders...maybe like a C&R FFL today.

I know you all think I'm overstating it, but did you think 8 years ago we'd have the Feds guaranteeing the right of men to use the little girls room, States fining businesses for not participating in Sodomite marriage ceremonies, federal courts enforcing the "right" of illegal aliens to vote, and the government shipping billions in currency to help Iran build a nuclear weapon?

I believe I may take up drinking alcohol again after Nov. 9...though I won't drive or carry while I'm drinking.

In that scenario Scott, I see a Civil War just around the corner. There are millions who will not take this sitting down anymore.

One exception, if Bill and Hillary are convicted and sentenced to prison, if I was President I would pardon them after they spent a day in jail, as long as their minions spend a lot of time in jail. I always want the minions to know that they go to jail when the boss asks them to do something illegal that the boss will not be punished for.[/quote]

Not me, there would be no pardon to any of them. And the leader would spend time just like their minions. No exceptions.

This election is by far the most terrifying election that I have ever known. One thing that would not surprise me is; neither candidate will accept the results without a fight.

Doesn't she have to be convicted first before he pardons her. Hasn't happened yet. Probably won't happen until after Obama is out of office. She can't pardon herself although she thinks she can. She can't be impeached and found guilty until she gets into office so this whole subject is nonsense at the moment.

The Wall wrote:Doesn't she have to be convicted first before he pardons her. Hasn't happened yet. Probably won't happen until after Obama is out of office. She can't pardon herself although she thinks she can. She can't be impeached and found guilty until she gets into office so this whole subject is nonsense at the moment.

That is not what they are reporting. They are saying, she can pardon herself, and she cannot be prosecuted for any crime she committed out of office while holding the office of the presidency.

Mxrdad wrote:This election is by far the most terrifying election that I have ever known.

Any bets that the Weather Channel's ratings go up on November 8? They announced on Monday that they would have zero election-related material from 3:00 p.m. to midnight Eastern on election day. Instead, they will air nature videos backgrounded by smooth jazz.

If you don't have one of those yule-log videos handy, and if televised coverage of the results bubbles your blood pressure to the point that you're tempted to chew on a handful of Zestoretic, you may want to switch over to the Weather Channel for a few minutes to regain your Zen before checking more results.



In fact, the current administration and the puppet DOJ Attorney General--and the message and voice and image and mere presence of Hillary Clinton--may already have you hitting BP levels that should have you hospitalized.

Try this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=YouTube+nature+relaxation+sounds

Mxrdad wrote:One exception, if Bill and Hillary are convicted and sentenced to prison, if I was President I would pardon them after they spent a day in jail, as long as their minions spend a lot of time in jail. I always want the minions to know that they go to jail when the boss asks them to do something illegal that the boss will not be punished for.

Not me, there would be no pardon to any of them. And the leader would spend time just like their minions. No exceptions.

This election is by far the most terrifying election that I have ever known. One thing that would not surprise me is; neither candidate will accept the results without a fight.

That fight you mention will likely take place in the Supreme Court. Bush v. Gore was decided in favor of Bush by a 5 justice majority, which included the 4 conservatives and the "swing" vote of Justice Kennedy. The 4 justice liberal minority voted against Bush. Right now, we have 8 SCOTUS justices: 4 liberals, 3 conservatives, and 1 "swing" voter in Kennedy. The court can't decide the case until a 9th justice is appointed and confirmed. If Clinton wins, two of the mostly likely Clinton nominees are AG Lynch, and Obama (with Michelle Obama being touted as another less likely possibility). So whether or not Obama pardons her, she won't have to face any consequences. The majority SCOTUS decision rendered by ANY court of which the two most recently confirmed justices were nominated by her, will NOT find against her.

THEN what?

OTH, if she loses........

And it all boils down to the Electoral votes. Does anybody else think this "Electoral Vote" system needs to be reassessed? It may have made sense in the old days but now, with the ease of access to voting methods, does it make sense any more? Its hard for me to understand why the Popular Vote doesnt take precedence these days. Dunno, maybe its just me?

Is she illegible for the SCOTUS if her law license has been suspended? Does being a lawyer or judge previously even matter?

EDIT: Never mind, no requirements at all. Wow, that's scary!

Mxrdad wrote:And it all boils down to the Electoral votes. Does anybody else think this "Electoral Vote" system needs to be reassessed? It may have made sense in the old days but now, with the ease of access to voting methods, does it make sense any more? Its hard for me to understand why the Popular Vote doesnt take precedence these days. Dunno, maybe its just me?

I think it is an important component of our (small r) republican form of government. How does a pure popular vote work? Can you win with a plurality so 17 people can run and one guy gets 15% of the vote then the other 16 split the 85%. Good way to guaranteed that 85% of the country hates the POTUS.

And why does Alaska get the same number of Senators as California? Shouldn't we just go with a unicameral House with proportional representation? Or a European style Prime Minister elected by the Representatives? While Bush was not the popular vote winner in 2000, I have to wonder if every illegal alien, convicted felon, and dead person that voted for Gore wasn't counted he would have...

The Wall wrote:She can't pardon herself although she thinks she can.

Haven't looked for verification, but Judge Napolitano speaking on Fox News said unequivocally that she could pardon herself. Not for crimes while in office, but crimes prior.

As for impeachment, we all know how that worked out with her husband. Nothing but a slap on the wrist for 'ol Bill who was caught virtually red-handed. Didn't remove him from office and didn't hinder him receiving six figures for future speaking engagements...or from now "earning" millions from the Clinton Foundation. (I haven't understood how Hillary could make Trump's lack of respect for women a focal point--even for paid TV commercials--and not come under fire from the media for it. Oh, sorry. There's that word "media," isn't there?)

Maybe his seeming Parkinson's Disease will begin to slow him down, but his indiscretions while in the White House never did.

The average attention span of a goldfish is nine seconds, but according to a 2015 study from Microsoft, people--collectively--now generally lose concentration after eight seconds. And yes, it's generational. Used to be only 12 seconds in 2000, so some of us can't crow. But God help us all.

Reality check: only two presidents in the history of this great country have been impeached by the House of Representatives, and both were later acquitted by the Senate. Andrew Johnson, who became president after Lincoln was assassinated. The year before, the House had passed an ill-advised "Tenure of Office Act"...assumed at the time to specifically protect questionable Secretary of War Edwin McMasters Stanton. Johnson fired Stanton.

Whether right or wrong, ideologically biased or merited, Johnson was impeached for an administrative decision. Pure and simple.

While I can't provide you a definitive definition of what the word "is" is, Bill Clinton blatantly disgraced the highest office of the land. Only the second president to ever be impeached. The first and only president to be impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice in a sexual harassment lawsuit.

And now Bill's wife, whom the majority of Americans agree is untrustworthy, is campaigning about Trump's misogyny? Seriously?

And yet she and/or her employees are accused or suspected of violating at least nine federal laws?

• U.S. Code § 798 — Disclosure of classified information
• U.S. Code § 1031 — Major fraud against the United States
• U.S. Code § 371 — Conspiracy to commit a federal offense
• U.S. Code § 1924 — Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
• U.S. Code § 2071(b) — Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
• U.S. Code § 1343 — Fraud by wire, radio or television
• U.S. Code § 1505 — Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
• U.S. Code § 1519 — Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations
• 18 U.S. Code § 793 — Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

How can the American people, in good conscience, elect this woman?

Good Lord help us all if Hillary Clinton wins the presidency.