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APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:25 pm
by nyj
Truly a sad situation. He lost his best friend/companion due to an officer responding to the wrong address.

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Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:48 pm
by snatchel
Not sure why the dog was shot.... Not sure of what exactly happened here. I am sure that this should not have happened. I understand accidents happen, and I will reserve judgement on the officer until everything is sorted out. However, my deepest condolences go to This guy- my own GSP is like a child to me, and losing him to something as tragic as this would be devastating.

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:52 pm
by Beiruty
snatchel wrote:Not sure why the dog was shot.... Not sure of what exactly happened here. I am sure that this should not have happened. I understand accidents happen, and I will reserve judgement on the officer until everything is sorted out. However, my deepest condolences go to This guy- my own GSP is like a child to me, and losing him to something as tragic as this would be devastating.

Why the LEO did not deploy his taser?

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:56 pm
by snatchel
No idea... Escalation of force does not appear to have been used. Like I said, I don't like the smell of this....but I'll wait before I throw rocks

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:54 pm
by jimlongley
If a CHL pulled a gun on someone, and then shot their dog, I wonder what they would be charged with?

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:15 pm
by C-dub
There's a little more information here.

http://www.netwerkin.com/wordpress/?p=242" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This was a terrible situation with lose/lose written all over it because of a simple mistake by the officer.

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:32 pm
by A-R
No saying this story has any relevance whatsoever to the OP (the wrong address angle of OP alone makes it VERY different circumstances). But this may give some idea why an officer would react to an unrestrained dog with deadly force ...

http://www.hillcountrynews.com/news/art ... TNNoMobile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:50 pm
by nyj
The dog BARKED at him at most. As someone on glocktalk said, if I shot every dog that barked at me in my neighborhood, there wouldn't be any left.

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:39 pm
by VoiceofReason
I have had an amusing situation with a dog. My partner was driving and pulled over a suspected drunk driver in a residential neighborhood at night. He approached the driver and I stood at the passenger side rear of the car. A large dog came out from one of the houses barking and stopped about 30 feet from me continuing to bark. I unsnapped my gun and kept my hand on it.

Believe it or not I heard people sitting on the porch where the dog came from urging the dog on. I got tired of trying to watch my partner and the dog at the same time. I yelled at my partner, “Joe I’m going to shoot this dang dog”! He yelled back “go ahead and we’ll take those people in”. All of a sudden the people started calling the dog back and he went. :lol:

Turns out I was one of three officers that arrested a relative of those people about a month before. We arrested him for breaking and entering and attempted rape.

Extra note: 357 hollow points. Would probably made a mess. :fire

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:58 pm
by gigag04
I've shot and killed one dog and pepper sprayed more than I can count while on the job. Not the highlight of my work, but I've seen enough dog bites to stop the threat of a dog first and ask questions later. If simple leash laws are followed by owners, this becomes a non-issue.

I shouldn't have to take a bite from a strangers dog before defending myself. That's just silly.

Also...Using a TASER on a dog...really? Have you deployed one before? It's a one shot deal and a much smaller target than a human torso. You can borrow mine and have a few tries under stress if you like. I'll go for my pistol...

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:16 pm
by Beiruty
gigag04 wrote:I've shot and killed one dog and pepper sprayed more than I can count while on the job. Not the highlight of my work, but I've seen enough dog bites to stop the threat of a dog first and ask questions later. If simple leash laws are followed by owners, this becomes a non-issue.

I shouldn't have to take a bite from a strangers dog before defending myself. That's just silly.

Also...Using a TASER on a dog...really? Have you deployed one before? It's a one shot deal and a much smaller target than a human torso. You can borrow mine and have a few tries under stress if you like. I'll go for my pistol...
I understand. However, many dogs barks and are not up to the task of attacking a stranger.

I loved my little German Shepard dog (a female) it was so ferious that it would tear up pants of unsuspecting strangers and catch and tear up my dad 's precious pigeons while in mid-air! That dog never ever got unleashed while not confined. Even while being trained in a obstacles-cross field. I miss her. I had here some 30 yrs ago. I long to get another dog. However, I live in house with a small yard. I will wait till one day when I own a big land farm with a summer/vacation house and my dog can have the space and attention he/she deserves. :hurry: :hurry:

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:34 pm
by G.A. Heath
Now remember that we are only seeing one side of this story, with that said based on what I have read I have to question the officers state of mind. Lets forget about the dog for the moment and look at what happened before the dog came into play. The officer pulls up to a scene where he believes a Domestic Disturbance is happening, guy comes from around back to great him and makes no threating moves, he draws gun and points it at guy. I know that Domestic Disturbance calls are extremely dangerous but drawing a weapon and pointing it at someone with out provocation is not something I think is taught to our officers. Now as I said before we are only seeing one side of this story and I would really like to read/see/hear the officers side as well.

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:10 am
by Dave2
gigag04 wrote:If simple leash laws are followed by owners, this becomes a non-issue.
Really? Leash laws? There's a law that says that my dog has to be on a leash while we're playing frisbee in my own backyard? Do my dogs also have to be leashed while they're in my house? I've got an idea... and I know this is a bit crazy, but how about, before killing anyone or anything, the responding officer checks the address of the home he or she is about to invade?

Re: APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:20 am
by Excaliber
G.A. Heath wrote:Now remember that we are only seeing one side of this story, with that said based on what I have read I have to question the officers state of mind. Lets forget about the dog for the moment and look at what happened before the dog came into play. The officer pulls up to a scene where he believes a Domestic Disturbance is happening, guy comes from around back to great him and makes no threating moves, he draws gun and points it at guy. I know that Domestic Disturbance calls are extremely dangerous but drawing a weapon and pointing it at someone with out provocation is not something I think is taught to our officers. Now as I said before we are only seeing one side of this story and I would really like to read/see/hear the officers side as well.
I agree on both points.

The gentleman who lost his dog should file a formal complaint with the agency and insist on a full investigation of the facts.

If the account we have is true and complete, it looks like APD has a supervisor in need of some serious job coaching as well.