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DSLR Cameras?

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With the recent thread that had the awesome close-up pics, and having met a few people that have them, my interest in DSLR camera's has increased. The features and picture quality is too great to ignore, and it'll give me a chance to give "real photography" a whirl. With my new cell phone likely to have a 5 to 8 megapixel camera, I'm thinking that can take the role of my point and click. I can't stand the shutter delay between clicking to auto focus, waiting, and taking the picture. You don't get the "the moment it happened" shots. DSLR can!

Here is my dilemma...I have NO idea what to look for. I know Nikon vs Cannon is much like the Glock vs. 1911 debate, so I've pretty much narrowed it down to those two brands. lol

What do I look for in a "lens"? Do I need to add a flash kit? I want to be able to take pictures quickly and rotate the lens to focus (I've come to find I can do it a lot quicker than my point and click camera can).

I don't know what F-Stop is, or any other "camera term" for that matter.

Any "newbie" info you can provide will be much appreciated. I'm not looking to break the bank, but want a solid, long lasting camera.
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spam, I'm selling one: http://waco.craigslist.org/pho/2089863687.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

to answer you question, get a decent camera and go take a class. there really is a lot to it. shutter speed vs how wide the stutter opens (f stop or aperture) vs film speed (or ISO on the digital)

most of the decent DSLR also have auto mode. I'm far from a pro, but i like to fiddle. so when settling in for a bunch of pics, i set it to full auto, then i play with ISO and aperture, let the camera pick the shutter speed; unless i'm looking for a specific effect.

like a good rifle, your glass should cost more then you camera, but you "can" use cheaper glass, it just does not perform the same in all conditions.

one might get a nice camera and cheap lenses, then add nicer lenses as you learn more

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speaking of timing, I took this this past weekend. When the kids are around, I set mine to snap in 5 shot bursts, so i have a few on either side of this one that i trashed:

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pbwalker, PM me your email address and I'll send you a 30-page "guide to DSLR photography" I wrote a while back for some friends and others to use. Should give you a great starting point.

Nikon or Canon is the way to go. I'm a Nikon guy just because my first "real camera" was a 1967 Nikkormat handed down to me by my grandpa. But Canon's are great cameras as well. Definitely a Ford vs. Chevy or Glock vs. 1911 thing.

Just be sure you buy a DSLR that has enough manual control for you. A lot of the cheaper entry-level DSLRs these days are really dumbed down, with a lot of automatic modes and not as many manual settings. In some ways a good condition used DSLR might be a better starting point.

And don't pay any attention to megapixels - it's a marketing gimmick. Any new camera sold today has more megapixels than you'll ever need or use. I'll put the 4-megapixel images I've captured with my 7-year-old Nikon D2H up against a 12-megapixel image from any entry-level DSLR. A QUALITY 10-12 megapixel DSLR's images will look better than my 4mp images, but I'm talking about DSLRs in the $3,000 price range. When comparing apples to apples in terms of all the important capabilities of a camera, the only benefit to more megapixels is the ability to print larger images that look better up close to the naked human eye. But I've printed 2-foot by 3-foot photos from 4-megapixel images that I sold professionally for hundreds of dollars. So "bigger" is a relative term. At 2' x 3' I was maxing out the printability of my camera (and the wall space of the average home owner to hang a photo). If you want to take photos to hang on billboards on the side of the freeway, then maybe you need 16 megapixels. But for "normal" 8-inch by 10-inch print sizes (and larger) you don't need that many.

The basic "kit" lens that comes with the camera should be fine to start. From there, what you add next depends upon what type of photography you want to focus on (pun intended). If it's macro, then plan to spend $200-$300 on an average aftermarket macro lens like a Sigma brand. Or $500-$1,500 on a Nikon-brand "Nikkor" macro lens. Also you'll need a quality, rock-solid tripod - plan to spend at least $100 but likely $200-$300 for a good one.

Sports/action and long-distance wildlife photography are the most expensive, requiring lenses that start around $3,000 and go up to above $10,000 for a single lens.

Weddings, portraits, "people" photos can be done relatively cheaply with quality zoom lenses and good flash system.

Landscape photography is still best left to fully professional "large format" camera systems, but a good DSLR can record some great amateur/semi-professional landscape shots and vacation photos of course. A tripod is essential, a remote shutter activator, and a wide range of lenses in various focal lengths.

And don't forget to scour eBay for good photo equipment deals. Just be sure the lens you get will fit the camera you have.

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Don't discount Pentax DSLR's. While not a popular as Canon/Nikon, the latest models are competitive for the advanced amateur and they make some fine glass.

You may want to check out local camera stores or community colleges for photo courses if you're that serious, but these days you can find a lot of good info on the internet. But really the way to learn is to understand the basics and then go out and shoot.
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ghostrider wrote:Don't discount Pentax DSLR's. While not a popular as Canon/Nikon, the latest models are competitive for the advanced amateur and they make some fine glass.

:iagree:

You beat me to it. For beginners or amateurs....the Kx or Kr would make a nice camera. If you wanted something better (and budget allows) a used K7 will do nicely and should start showing up on ebay/etc....pretty soon with the introduction of the K5.

After looking closely at Canon's and Nikon's competing cameras....I have decided a K5 will soon be in my stable.
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CJATE wrote:speaking of timing, I took this this past weekend. When the kids are around, I set mine to snap in 5 shot bursts, so i have a few on either side of this one that i trashed:

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I have got to find my copy of a pic that was taken with a Speed Graphic back in the 60s. Pure luck combined with good timing - Our fire department ladies' drill team was practicing a bucket brigade event and the woman at the top of the ladder got frustrated with the coach standing on the ground and dumped a bucket of water right in his face. The pic was taken just at the moment the water was arriving at his face.

I can't claim credit for the pic, I was standing off to the side watching my wife who was participating in the drill. What I didn't know at the time was her name, or that she would become my wife in 5 years.
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Most pros shoot the Canon EOS 5D Mark II. Its about $2500 with no lens. Its too big to carry concealed.

Other pros shoot the comparible Nikon cause they want to use their old lenses and are partial to Nikon.

Then there are lots of prosumer cameras made by everybody. They use a 2/3 sized smaller chip that is less than 24 x36 mm in size, so old 35mm lenses change their magnification. Think of it as .45 vs 9mm. They do fine, but what do you really want in a shoot.

Then you have the 12 megapixel point and shoot cameras, they are $200-300, and are really quite good for the cost. However under magnification the images are fuzzy. They are easy to pocket carry and are fine for pictures of mom and the kids. Sort of your .380's of the camera world. Always better to have one than none at all.

One thing about the cameras now. Full auto mode is not outlawed, (not sure about Washington DC) so most everything now will shoot HD video (many in 1080p) too.

One of my facebook pro photographer friends David Hume Kennerly (he will be your friend too) shoots the Canon Mark II, but now pocket carries all the time (even in California, New Jersey, Chicago and New York) an iPhone4, as it has automatic HDR (high dynamic range) which allows for pretty cool pictures in less than ideal lighting.

BTW, I still shoot with a Speed Graphic, kinda like those guys who still shoot black powder.

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First of all, one thing people frequently overlook when set out to purchase a DSLR is that the quality of the lenses is far more important than the camera body itself. Most digital camera bodies become obsolete within 12-18 months after introduction. A good quality lens will last you 10 or more years. Good quality lenses are expensive and they are an investment but the impact they will have on your photography is staggering. Don't be afraid to buy a used camera body and pair it up with a high quality lens.

You should stick with Canon or Nikon. Not because they are better or because they have some secret technology that others don't but because they dominate the market and have a staggering array of lenses and accessories. With a DSLR you are not buying a camera you are buying into a camera system.

Now, for the important part. In order to make a good recommendation we need to understand how you are planning to use the camera. The equipment needed for a landscape photographer, a sports photographer, a wedding photographer and a guy who wants some good shots of the kids in the backyard is way different. Give us an idea of the most common situations in which you will be taking pictures and I am sure we can provide some highly specific recommendations.

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There is a lot of good information about photography and camera selection at this website: http://www.kenrockwell.com/
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The finest camera in the hands of a novice rarely yields poor results, due to their programming, but less than what could be - The simplest camera in the hands of a professional or serious amateur often yields exceptional results. Save your money and first buy a book a BASIC photography that covers basic functions, (ISO, shutter speed, aperture, depth of field), metering and composition, then buy a simple prosumer DSLR of any name brand and you'll be miles ahead of the game. It's not the camera, it's the user - same with guns, the finest gun will not make you a good shot. It's the basic knowledge that counts. MHO after 30 years as a professional photographer.
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G26ster wrote:The finest camera in the hands of a novice rarely yields poor results, due to their programming, but less than what could be - The simplest camera in the hands of a professional or serious amateur often yields exceptional results. Save your money and first buy a book a BASIC photography that covers basic functions, (ISO, shutter speed, aperture, depth of field), metering and composition, then buy a simple prosumer DSLR of any name brand and you'll be miles ahead of the game. It's not the camera, it's the user - same with guns, the finest gun will not make you a good shot. It's the basic knowledge that counts. MHO after 30 years as a professional photographer.
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:iagree:
with everyone stated above by dalto, vviper, and G26ster, except:

1. Older DSLRs aren't "obsolete" - they still work perfectly well and take great photos. But like computers a "bigger better" version comes along every 18 months or so. I still shoot with a 7-year-old Nikon D2H and a 5-year-old D200 (and occassionally with an 8-year-old D100). But the overall point that you're better off spending your money on quality GLASS instead of expensive camera bodies is good advice. With those "old" camera bodies (ancient by DSLR standards, each at least two or three generations behind state of the art) I have some remarkable lenses that cost a pretty penny .... Nikkor 70-200mm f2.8 VR, Nikkor 17-55mm f2.8, Nikkor 12-24mm f4, Nikkor 18-200mm variable aperture, Nikkor fixed focal lenghts 85mm f1.8, 50mm f1.8, 20mm f2.8 - My lenses are still worth nearly what I paid for them and are far from "obsolete". The camera bodies are worth pennies on the dollar compared to the new retail prices I paid for each. But they all still work, and if I finally decide to upgrade to new bodies, all that expensive glass will work with the new bodies.

This is why it's important to know what kind of photography you want to try, so you spend money on quality lenses for that type of photography, then whatever money is leftover, buy whatever DSLR body you can afford. This is also why I still recommend Canon or Nikon (because of the HUGE amount of quality new and used equipment/accessories available). Olympus, Pentax, Sony all make good DSLR systems. But buying Canon or Nikon is like buying Glock or 1911 because everybody has one and you can swap parts, find quality used parts/accessories, etc.

Buying a camera is a lot like buying a good rifle and scope, only moreso. With a rifle the rule of thumb is to spend the same amount on the scope as you spent on the rifle. With a camera, spend two or three times more on lenses than on the camera body.

2. http://www.kenrockwell.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is a good informative site. Be warned, however, that Mr. Rockwell is quite full of himself and is by trade a television videographer/movie cameraman, and NOT a professional photographer. So take all of his "this is the way it is" blather with a grain of salt. There are MUCH BETTER photographers in the world. That said, his site is fun to read, informative, and there is a lot there for beginner's to learn.

http://www.bythom.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is great for Nikon stuff
Also this guy REALLY knows lens glass ... http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_surv.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And just to be sure this post has at least SOMETHING to do with firearms, the greatest gun-related photo ever taken ...

http://www.worldsfamousphotos.com/index.php/tag/bullet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (interesting to note the "photographer" was actually an MIT scientist - by today's standards, he wouldn't even be allowed to bring a rifle onto campus in Boston)

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austinrealtor wrote: 1. Older DSLRs aren't "obsolete" - they still work perfectly well and take great photos. But like computers a "bigger better" version comes along every 18 months or so.
When I said "obsolete" I was not trying to imply that they could no longer be used. The point I was trying to make was to spend your money more on glass and less on the camera body. I actually advocate buying used older generation camera bodies.
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hey all, I just remembered that my DSLR photography guide is up in the nether regions of the vast internet (former RE client of mine posted it on his blog about a year ago).

I'd rather not post the link here because it has my name/phone number/email address in th PDF file. But if you'd like the link, just PM me and I'll PM it back to you.
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