Occupy Wall Street

[RPB]

OWS protestor woke up ...

Direction: Instead of Police cars, Indoor plumbing rocks, Laxatives help, Baby Wipes aren't "free" nor communal property--->>> ‘occupier’ calls it quits: ‘I NEED A SIMPLE MOVEMENT with a direction’ http://tinyurl.com/3zl5a42" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Most of the crowd is gone from Austin City Hall today too ... it might get cold.

[old farmer]

You GUYS are so easy...given 3 things to think about ...you jumb on the money.. You are correct Exxon profit was only 8% OF 30 BILLION... The question is what is driving the anger and hehavior of the protestors for this length of time? The real test will be the winter weather. If the protesters are still in the parks in the spring then Americia has a problem...

EXXON profits is over 30.5 billion dollars....................................................................................................

No offense old farmer, I am not happy with the State of The Union as well, but the quote above is one of my pet peeves. Exxon made 30.5 billion on Revenues of 383 Billion. This means as a business the made less than 8% net profit at the end of the day.

How many of you own a business, and how many of you would think you were "killing it" if you made 8% net profit at the end of a year?

8% is about what I have made per year on investments over the past 10 years, and all that money had to do was sit there.

Exxon's profits were made by producing goods and services and selling them to buyers who were willing to pay a price established by supply and demand in the free market. Have they benefited greatly from the rise in prices the last 3 years...you bet they have...but they don't control the price of oil and gas...the market does that, the same way it does for beef, potatoes, housing, ranchland and all other things. The farmers and ranchers don't control the price they get for the goods they produce, but they naturally hope the prices when they sell will be as high as possible...that's how they make their profits. I have a good friend in the real estate business that has made alot of money over the years buying low and selling high, who was complaining about "those big oil companies" making obscene profits and saying the government ought to step in and put some type of cap on their profits. I asked him if he had purchased a property for $200,000, rehabbed it, and 3 months later a buyer came in and offered him $500,000, did he think the government should be able to say you can't sell it for more than $300,000? He said "of course not...I put up my own money and took all the risks, it's nobody else's business if that's what someone is willing to pay". I smiled and said "so ,its OK for them to do it to someone else, but not you?" He kinda' shook his head and said "yeah, not too smart, huh?"

[RPB]

IT’S JUST WEALTH-REDISTRIBUTION, MAN:

Somebody cleaned out the PayPal account of “Occupy Portland” and it looks like an inside job. http://theothermccain.com/2011/10/28/sm ... ipped-off/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fights erupt among Occupy Wall Street protesters
http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... otesters/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


So, NOW they support property rights? Well, only their stuff.

[Texas Dan Mosby]

The question is what is driving the anger and hehavior of the protestors for this length of time?

IMO, there are two key reasons.

First, many of those idiots espouse the same naive type of Marxist / Leninist ideologies that completely FAIL to take into account human nature.

Second, deep down inside, they FEAR freedom.

Freedom, for some, can be scary. Freedom means that the course of action you select can be either beneficial OR harmful. While most of us accept that challenge, AND the consequences of our actions, more and more citizens seem to be afraid to take that risk, AND to accept the consequences of the choices THEY make.

[C-dub]

Second, deep down inside, they FEAR freedom.

Freedom, for some, can be scary. Freedom means that the course of action you select can be either beneficial OR harmful. While most of us accept that challenge, AND the consequences of our actions, more and more citizens seem to be afraid to take that risk, AND to accept the consequences of the choices THEY make.

There you go. They fear freedom and they fear failure. They want the government to be their own personal safety net, yet they oppose the government being the safety net for GM and the banks. Go figure.

[C-dub]

Me and many people I know worked in college and lived frugally during and after college and paid off our student loans quickly. We were responsible.

Now President Osama wants us to pay higher taxes to subsidize people who weren't responsible. People who lived beyond their means. People who went to parties instead of class. People who squandered their opportunity.

And speaking of student loans ... he now wants to forgive them after 20 years if not paid in full instead of the 25 it is currently. Why forgive them at all?

[Ameer]

The question is what is driving the anger and hehavior of the protestors for this length of time?

IMO, there are two key reasons.

First, many of those idiots espouse the same naive type of Marxist / Leninist ideologies that completely FAIL to take into account human nature.

Second, deep down inside, they FEAR freedom.

Put them both together and what do you get? COMMUNISM

[The Mad Moderate]

How can y'all support the "grass roots" tea party (funded by corporate interests) that used people as pawns to get more favorable legislation for big business and not support these people who are not marxist nor communist, love their country, and are tired of getting the short end of the stick from Washington and Wall Street.If I'm a Communist because I think the top 1% and major corporations have far more influence in government than the rest of us, then there is a problem with this country I'm not calling for wealth redistribution, I'm asking for fairness, Warren Buffett paying a lower tax rate than me is sicking. And before someone says it a flat tax is not a "fair tax" it would be a major tax increase for a majority of Americans. Why many on the right continue to vote for people who in every way possible work against the interests of the majority and continue to support the rich and big business baffles me.

[RPB]

Occupy DC to secede from the United States

They are drafting a Constitution

(He thinks USA drafted Constitution in 1775, poor uneducated fellow)

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[canvasbck]

How can y'all support the "grass roots" tea party (funded by corporate interests) that used people as pawns to get more favorable legislation for big business and not support these people who are not marxist nor communist, love their country, and are tired of getting the short end of the stick from Washington and Wall Street.If I'm a Communist because I think the top 1% and major corporations have far more influence in government than the rest of us, then there is a problem with this country I'm not calling for wealth redistribution, I'm asking for fairness, Warren Buffett paying a lower tax rate than me is sicking. And before someone says it a flat tax is not a "fair tax" it would be a major tax increase for a majority of Americans. Why many on the right continue to vote for people who in every way possible work against the interests of the majority and continue to support the rich and big business baffles me.

Here's why I support what the GOP calls a pro growth tax program.

I, like many others, work for a large corporation. As long as the corporation is supplying a good living for me and my family, I hope that the company turns a good profit, and try to do my part to ensure it happens. Whenever the corporation has a surplus of capital, they look for ways to expand the business.Expanding businesses also provide employment oportunities for more people (upward income mobility). They understand that having a large diversified company makes the company more viable during times that margins (profits) are being squeezed. Exxon is a good example, they are a hugely profitable business when only 8% of their gross revenue is profit. How many small businesses could survive with margins that thin?

Do I think that the salary, golden parachutes, and bonuses of some executives are obscene? ABSOLUTELY! But it's not the government's place to tell a company what to do with it's money. In a free market, the company that spends extra capital wisely will survive the lean times while companies that throw money at a select few executives will fail. If the governement would have stayed out of it, we would have seen it with Lehman Brothers, Bear Sterns, AIG,General Motors, and several others. It was the government that rewarded the foolish and lavish expendeture of capital, the free market would have let those companies fail due to the mismanagement and lack of preparing for lean times. As a result, no one learned any hard lessons and the behavior will be repeated.

OH, and I don't want a flat tax. I want a national sales tax. It is the only tax system that forces illegal aliens, drug dealers, strippers, prostitutes, and other illegal cash only businesses to pay their share of the tax load.

[tbrown]

How can y'all support the "grass roots" tea party (funded by corporate interests) that used people as pawns to get more favorable legislation for big business and not support these people who are not marxist nor communist, love their country, and are tired of getting the short end of the stick from Washington and Wall Street.

I have no beef with the ones who are capitalist. I have major ethical differences with The 99% of OWS that are marxist or communist

I'm not calling for wealth redistribution

OK but it seems 99% of the OWS leeches are.

And before someone says it a flat tax is not a "fair tax" it would be a major tax increase for a majority of Americans.

It is a fair tax. The tens of millions of people in this country who pay no income tax now would have to pay their fair share like the progressives claim they want.

[tbrown]

OH, and I don't want a flat tax. I want a national sales tax. It is the only tax system that forces illegal aliens, drug dealers, strippers, prostitutes, and other illegal cash only businesses to pay their share of the tax load.

It's easier to implement and collect. Plus everyone pays their fair share.

Because it's easy, the IRS employee union might hate it when they have to find productive jobs. Because it's fair, special interest group lobbyists and socialists hate it.

[The Mad Moderate]

OH, and I don't want a flat tax. I want a national sales tax. It is the only tax system that forces illegal aliens, drug dealers, strippers, prostitutes, and other illegal cash only businesses to pay their share of the tax load.

It's easier to implement and collect. Plus everyone pays their fair share.

Because it's easy, the IRS employee union might hate it when they have to find productive jobs. Because it's fair, special interest group lobbyists and socialists hate it.

So you want a regressive tax that again hurts lower income earners way more than it does the rest.

[tbrown]

I want a sales tax that equally taxes every dollar someone chooses to spend.

Equality and choice. Why are they anathema to the left wing?

[The Mad Moderate]

I want a sales tax that equally taxes every dollar someone chooses to spend.

Equality and choice. Why are they anathema to the left wing?

What do you not understand about the fact that a sales tax end up taxing a larger percent of lower income earners wages than it does the rich so you're ok with a tax increase on the poor but not the rich.