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Re: Texas Citizens Militia

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VoiceofReason wrote:
JP171 wrote:
Redneck_Buddha wrote:I've got no desire to join a militia of this sort, but if they aren't taking a seditious stance then it would seem they are engaged in constitutionally protected activity.

Actually no they aren't engaged in a constitutionally protected Militia, there are laws that define what is and what is NOT a legally established Militia and they ain't it
"legally established Militia"
Legally established” by whom?
Legally established by the government pencil necks of course. Just because right here right now in Texas we have , what we think as "our side" in the office to make those determinations, just wait not "if" but "when" the tide shifts and the leftist cockroaches emerge.

Lookup Martin Niemöller quote, it's a fitting one.

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Re: Texas Citizens Militia

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All of which indicate that there is no such thing as an "illegal militia" unless they are engaged in sedition, which is what I said originally, grasshopper. Oh, and I've got plenty of Googling under my belt on this topic. I just wanted to see if you had seen something I didn't.

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Re: Texas Citizens Militia

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JP171 wrote: Actually no they aren't engaged in a constitutionally protected Militia, there are laws that define what is and what is NOT a legally established Militia and they ain't it
Well, Webster's has its definition regarding able-bodied citizens, and I have my own favorite clarification. For some reason, I feel a need to take a whack at the horse this morning.

I think the Second Amendment does a pretty good job of defining the militia, at least to the well regulated reader if I may borrow terminology from past times. The Second draws an equivalency between the militia and the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, [in other words] the right of the people [not just the army] to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. You government dweebs need to keep yer mitts off my guns, because my state (yours too) of being free is more dependent on the general and enforceable will of the people than your office.

The status of being free is dependent on a well regulated militia, which is the right of you and I and everyone else who hasn't forfeited that right through due process. Any regulation, in the modern bureaucratic sense, has to be done with the purpose of promoting rights, not infringing them.

Sometimes words mean different things, too. For example, when a printer carefully adjusts his press to properly align the different passes of a four color process he is said to be registering his colors. Color registration has nothing to do with filling out government paperwork.

Regulated probably meant any one of several things to colonists, but the phrase "well regulated" had its own meaning, too. Well running, or well equipped. In fact, the word "well" has it's own archaic use. Listen to sailors working a tall ship and using traditional commands. it's not uncommon for one sailor to indicate to another he can stop hauling a line with the phrase, "That's well."

It sounds jarring to hear "well" serve as a general use adjective, but it's one use of the term, as in "All is well."

Unfortunately, it's risky to claim to be part of the militia. I quietly consider myself to be, just as I consider every other law abiding citizen I encounter, but I keep that to myself. The word has baggage brought aboard by the fringe - and the real militia is not the fringe and it is not a threat to freedom.

The militia is necessary for what mainstream America cherishes. You might not like oxygen, but you need to breathe it. You might not like guns, but you need your neighbor armed.

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Re: Texas Citizens Militia

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treadlightly,

Are you a member of a militia?

If so, and you're certain they're not doing anything seditious are you comfortable naming it?

I'd like to see if they have a website.

Thanks

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Abraham, I'm not a member of any organized militia, just the currently unorganized one you, and I - and Chuck Schumer, whether or not he likes it or lives up to it - are in. The American citizenry at large. In present circumstances, that suits me.

I'd be very wary of what I was getting into if I were attracted by any kind of militia group. Too many nutcases out there.

On the other hand, the First Amendment doesn't mean much if perception keeps anyone from peaceful assembly with his fellow citizens.

I'd just caution anyone to make sure he's not getting co-opted into something he doesn't believe in, and there are militia groups that don't support core American values - just as, I'm sure, there are such groups who do.

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treadlightly,

Thanks, great response.

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I think a so called citizen militia could be formed quickly if and when the need arises. At that time they could or should be sworn in by the state or federal military force. There's a lot of talent out there from veterans that could be tapped into if the a problem arises.
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The Wall wrote:I think a so called citizen militia could be formed quickly if and when they need arises. At that time they could or should be sworn in by the state or federal military force. There's a lot of talent out there from veterans that could be tapped into if the a problem arises.
If a situation arises where we need the citizen militia swearing an oath to a government is not really going to happen.

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current military oath of enlistment
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
No where does our current military swear an oath to the government.
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Re: Texas Citizens Militia

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Looking at some of the posts, I guess it's time to remind some of our Members that the Forum is NOT the National Inquirer! Discussing the issue is fine, but the over-the-top rhetoric isn't. Just one more such post and the thread will be locked.

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Re: Texas Citizens Militia

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And then there is the other side. I am not a part of any militia group. I have served and led combat troops decades ago in my youth. I was therefore what some would call a "real" soldier.
There are many who recognize that this country is going to Hell quickly. They also realize that the state forces can be federalized by an Obama or a Clinton and used against us. Laws against that? Only if they are followed, and politicians don't seem too anxious to subject themselves to laws.
When it is only the civilians who are left to stand against oppression, some of you who deride those who "play soldier" may be glad that they took time to be the last line of defense.
God and the soldier we adore,
In times of danger, not before.
The danger gone, the trouble righted,
God's forgotten, the soldier slighted.
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