Cops arrest jogging woman....

[tomtexan]

....because she couldn’t hear them

This happened in Austin. Not sure who is at fault here. I want to say the woman might be for having her music up too loud and not being able to hear in her immediate surroundings. Or maybe she heard them (APD) and chose to ignore.

[WildBill]

You sure can hear her scream.

[tomtexan]

You sure can hear her scream.

That's for sure!

[WildBill]

This story hit the bigtime. It's now in the NY Daily News and the UK Daily Mail! It is interesting to see how they are already twisting the story.

Tears streamed down Amanda Jo Stephen’s face after a cop reportedly grabbed her arm and pushed her to the ground, allegedly for jaywalking.
The screaming Austin jogger was hauled into a cop car by four police officers.
Why did the cops cross the road? To cuff the jogging jaywalker.
Texas police stuffed a 24-year-old jogger into a cop car on Thursday after the shocked jaywalker failed to properly identify herself.



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[Texas_Blaze]

There's been a lot of threads on OC and bad tactics. Well, this seems to be bad tactics by the officers. Honestly, nothing better to do? You want public support? Don't engage in bad tactics like this. A jogger minding her own business is a criminal? If she was jaywalking, give her a ticket and move on.

[chasfm11]

There's been a lot of threads on OC and bad tactics. Well, this seems to be bad tactics by the officers. Honestly, nothing better to do? You want public support? Don't engage in bad tactics like this. A jogger minding her own business is a criminal? If she was jaywalking, give her a ticket and move on.

It seems like the transit police everywhere are more aggressive. I worked at Renaissance tower in Dallas for awhile and jaywalking there was going to get you not only a ticket but a dose of real attitude. NJ and NY had the Port Authority police and many of those that I saw were definitely over the top.

There is a case to be made about being so into your tunes with earbuds that you don't understand what is happening around you. But it sure looks like this was a "make a public example" situation. Granted her response didn't help her after the heavy handed tactics had begun.

She was jaywalking. Bad on her. Ending up in the back of a cruiser for that offense seems like overkill no matter how I try to look at it.

[WildBill]

There's been a lot of threads on OC and bad tactics. Well, this seems to be bad tactics by the officers. Honestly, nothing better to do? You want public support? Don't engage in bad tactics like this. A jogger minding her own business is a criminal? If she was jaywalking, give her a ticket and move on.

I am not arguing about tactics, public support or "better things to do".

I could be wrong, but I don't think that any of the officers volunteered for Jay-Walk duty.

The officers did try to give her a ticket and move on, but she would not let them do their job.

Both the jogger and the police could have done better.

[WildBill]

There's been a lot of threads on OC and bad tactics. Well, this seems to be bad tactics by the officers. Honestly, nothing better to do? You want public support? Don't engage in bad tactics like this. A jogger minding her own business is a criminal? If she was jaywalking, give her a ticket and move on.

It seems like the transit police everywhere are more aggressive. I worked at Renaissance tower in Dallas for awhile and jaywalking there was going to get you not only a ticket but a dose of real attitude. NJ and NY had the Port Authority police and many of those that I saw were definitely over the top.

There is a case to be made about being so into your tunes with earbuds that you don't understand what is happening around you. But it sure looks like this was a "make a public example" situation. Granted her response didn't help her after the heavy handed tactics had begun.

She was jaywalking. Bad on her. Ending up in the back of a cruiser for that offense seems like overkill no matter how I try to look at it.

[Fortunately] I haven't had the pleasure of meeting up with transit police.

I think that in these types of cases the officers have to demonstrate their ability to control the situation and make sure that people are compliant to their commands.

Even it might be overkill, they can't just let the woman walk away.

[MotherBear]

You sure can hear her scream.

That's for sure!

Reminds me of my 3-year-old when I tell him not to throw sand and remove him from the playground.

[WildBill]

You sure can hear her scream.

That's for sure!

Reminds me of my 3-year-old when I tell him not to throw sand and remove him from the playground.

At that volume and particular frequency it makes my spine shiver.

[rbwhatever1]

Looking at the photo, I'm surprised either one of those LEO's could have caught her....

[tomtexan]

Looking at the photo, I'm surprised either one of those LEO's could have caught her....

They could use a little jogging of their own.

[mamabearCali]

Look crossing a road in an unsafe manner is unwise. Still, I tend to think of it as a bull sort of a charge the type that generated revenue rather than addresses public saftey.

However if you grab a young woman from behind who is unaware that you wanted her attention then use her entirely natural reaction of recoil to get a resisting arrest charge.....that is ridiculous. The cops escalated the situation when they did not need to. She was hysterical scared to death and rightly so. Now could she have crossed the street better, probably.

I expect LEO's to use some common sense and not arrest people for being scared, for crying, or even for doing something as dastardly as not crossing with the stoplight.

You gotta think about PR and what you are doing. That young lady is not going to trust LEO's again anytime soon. Her family is now going to view LEO's with more suspicion. If she has kids, is she going to teach them officer friendly or that officers are to be distrusted and viewed as a threat. How many people used to view LEO's with a certain level of trust that has now been broken? Keep doing that and they will make enemies of nearly all.

[Keith B]

While I think grabbing someone who was just j-walking is totally out of limits, this does bring up a good point on situational awareness. When you are so wrapped up in your music and have it so loud in your ears that you can't hear someone trying purposely trying to get your attention from behind you, then you sure are not gonna know if someone is trying to sneak up on you. I listen to my music pretty loud in the gym, but I am always aware of the front of the workout area and the doors to see who is outside and who may be looking to get in. My gym uses card readers for access, so it is not just open, but you never know who might have stolen someone's keys and is using their key fob to try and come in.

[pancho]

There's been a lot of threads on OC and bad tactics. Well, this seems to be bad tactics by the officers. Honestly, nothing better to do? You want public support? Don't engage in bad tactics like this. A jogger minding her own business is a criminal? If she was jaywalking, give her a ticket and move on.

Based on video it seems more reasonable than the banana arrest but maybe I haven't seen the important bits.