The Incandescent Light Bulb R.I.P. ?

[talltex]

And yes, the tech did it out of spite. I was in the dealership arguing with the service manager about the fact that it was not cooling very well (this was before I knew what they had done) and he had the tech who had worked on the vehicle take me out to show me that it was cooling down to spec temps. The tech reached under the dash with his turkey thermometer and shoved it hard up into the works. That evening my wife complained about something dripping on her feet. I took it back to the dealership the next day, by which time all of the refrigerant had leaked out and the compressor locked up. Eventually they replaced almost the entire ac system, but they never did pay my wife for the shoes that were ruined by the refrigerant leaking on them.

The vehicle was purchased from a dealership in Albany NY, and then I was transferred to IL. When I took it in for scheduled service, the local dealership wanted me to take it back to NY for service; I called Jeep and they confirmed that my plan was good anywhere. When the power steering went out, under warranty, they wanted me to take it back to NY for warranty repair; I called Jeep and they confirmed that warranty repair was anywhere. When I took it in due to the trailer towing harness fusing together (a memo or service notice, I don't remember, but it was internal and I only found out about the notice because the son of a co-worker worked at a different Jeep dealer and told me about it) they wanted me to take it back to NY; Et Cetera. And the AC thing was the final straw, because that time it was only in for a checkup before a trip, and we wound up without the vehicle for the trip. Lots more to the tale, but after that I started using a different dealership (of course many miles away due to Jeep's company rules about separation) instead of the one that was walking distance from my workplace.

I just HATE hearing stories like that. I was a Jeep Dealer for 25 years, and that's the kind of stuff that makes so many people mistrust all dealers. I'm sure that in Illinois it was a union shop, and in that case, even if the Dealer or General Mgr. was aware of it, there's very little they can do to discipline the employees that treated you that way. Management can't go back and speak directly to the technician or the service advisor...all they can do is talk to the union rep, and request that he look into it. I had a friend who was a dealer in Ohio, and his horror stories about dealing with the union made all of us from down here cringe. He couldn't even set the working hours for his own business without the approval of the union representative.

[jmra]

IBTL

[Abraham]

Light bulbs are nice.

[jmra]

Light bulbs are nice.

I don't know what I would do without them.

[WildBill]

[Keith B]

I have a mixture of halogen and incandescent bulbs in one of my ceiling fans and the colors are so close you can't tell any difference.

[bigbang]

LED is getting better all the time. The color rendition index and the efficiency are improving every year. But for beauty incandescent still holds the prize. Warm white LED's 2800K can look pink. To me 3000k to 3200k is where you want to be unless its for a work environment where your trying to keep people awake.

My replacement outdoor lights are blueish. It bothered me at first but now I like it because I'm not trying to create a comfortable welcoming environment for people and animals lurking close to my house.

[anygunanywhere]

Please move back to the original topic and drop the freon discussion.

That was cold.



Anygunanywhere

[rbwhatever1]

Where's the cheapest place to buy these new r-134a bulbs? Those outdated R-12's probably couldn't handle 5,000 degrees kelvin....might burn something up. Or down.

[Krampus]

Walmart.

[jimlongley]

And yes, the tech did it out of spite. I was in the dealership arguing with the service manager about the fact that it was not cooling very well (this was before I knew what they had done) and he had the tech who had worked on the vehicle take me out to show me that it was cooling down to spec temps. The tech reached under the dash with his turkey thermometer and shoved it hard up into the works. That evening my wife complained about something dripping on her feet. I took it back to the dealership the next day, by which time all of the refrigerant had leaked out and the compressor locked up. Eventually they replaced almost the entire ac system, but they never did pay my wife for the shoes that were ruined by the refrigerant leaking on them.

The vehicle was purchased from a dealership in Albany NY, and then I was transferred to IL. When I took it in for scheduled service, the local dealership wanted me to take it back to NY for service; I called Jeep and they confirmed that my plan was good anywhere. When the power steering went out, under warranty, they wanted me to take it back to NY for warranty repair; I called Jeep and they confirmed that warranty repair was anywhere. When I took it in due to the trailer towing harness fusing together (a memo or service notice, I don't remember, but it was internal and I only found out about the notice because the son of a co-worker worked at a different Jeep dealer and told me about it) they wanted me to take it back to NY; Et Cetera. And the AC thing was the final straw, because that time it was only in for a checkup before a trip, and we wound up without the vehicle for the trip. Lots more to the tale, but after that I started using a different dealership (of course many miles away due to Jeep's company rules about separation) instead of the one that was walking distance from my workplace.

I just HATE hearing stories like that. I was a Jeep Dealer for 25 years, and that's the kind of stuff that makes so many people mistrust all dealers. I'm sure that in Illinois it was a union shop, and in that case, even if the Dealer or General Mgr. was aware of it, there's very little they can do to discipline the employees that treated you that way. Management can't go back and speak directly to the technician or the service advisor...all they can do is talk to the union rep, and request that he look into it. I had a friend who was a dealer in Ohio, and his horror stories about dealing with the union made all of us from down here cringe. He couldn't even set the working hours for his own business without the approval of the union representative.

It was the service manager, and then the dealership manager that kept telling me that my service contract and warranty were only good at the original dealership.

I like that light temperature chart, I might just copy and print it so I can show people, but even with actual displays of light temperatures, there are people who just refuse to understand it. Just yesterday, since this thread started, I had a customer who wants to replace the LED lighting inside his new refrigerator with incandescent because he wants his food to look the same way it used to with his old fridge.

[ss1088]

As much as some of you would disagree with the practice, the government also forces the manufactures to post specs on all new bulbs, so you know exactly what you are getting. This just forces the consumers to become better educated in order to get what they want. There is a slight learning curve, but I am sure most people will be up to speed in the years to come.

The chart below makes it very easy to compare bulbs.

[ss1088]

Say what you will about government interference in the bulb market, it has led to some pretty neat technology in the LED market that would not have happened for many years otherwise. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Prices will become more reasonable as the years go on. We have already seen some major cuts in this market as the manufactures and engineers have been figuring out ways to cut cost.

If you really want to stick with incandescent, you will probably be able to find them if you are creative enough.

Seriously? You support the government taking away our choices and rationalize it based on an assumption of some future benefit? I hope you like Volts and Prius's because the logic of banning incandescent bulbs justifies banning SUVs and pickup trucks as well. Of course, it's unlikely, because that won't help Detroit's bottom line, and they're unlikely to lobby for it. And the logic that the government has a right to tell you what technology you must use is pretty close to the same logic that the gun grabbers use to justify banning semi-auto rifles.

When did I say I support government interference in our choices? I was trying to avoid the politics while expressing my approval of LED technology, which is really revolutionizing the lighting industry industry.

[The Dude]

Light bulbs are nice.

I don't know what I would do without them.

Genesis 1:3

[jmra]

Light bulbs are nice.

I don't know what I would do without them.

Genesis 1:3

Eph 5:8