Thank You!Pawpaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:39 pmYour link appears to be broken. Here's another attempt.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:48 pm And so it begins. 60 year old woman decides to be a trespassing test case. From body cam footage the cop gave her a chance to get a mask and come back to get her money out. Then he gave her the chance to leave. At that point she went full blown George Floyd on him. She must not have gotten the memo that only felons are allowed to resist arrest. She failed to shout, "I can't breath". One must know the rules before fighting with a cop.
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They told her at the door they required a mask to enter. They offered her a mask. She told them no and walked on in. Short of having a confrontation with her, there really was nothing else the bank could do other than just allow her to stay anyway. She could have put a mask on to close out her account. Tell them why and leave. That would have made more of an impression in my humble opinion.flechero wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:35 pm The lady was clearly wrong but they [bank employees] could have handled this much better and faster than waiting for the police... so if the fear was ACTUALLY health and safety- they would have been much better off giving her, her money and letting her walk away and close her account out. Instead, they allowed her to stay inside "endangering the lives of everyone" for 15 minutes- vs. just giving her the money in 2 minutes and being rid of her... of course that doesn't give anyone the satisfaction of being a SJW and seeing and old lady arrested by police.
I wear a mask [properly] wherever required, but an honest question to the hard core mask crowd- If we went our whole lives without masks and without issue... now even when someone is vaccinated from the one thing you are wearing masks for, what's the fear? Especially considering the science is mixed on whether a [non-rated] mask helps. Based on the available science, the distancing may do more than the masks most people wear.
What ticks me off, though, is the tons of self righteous mask police walking around with their noses sticking out of their masks... but the person who is minding their own business, distancing from people, is an issue worth yelling at and causing a scene over.
Here is a link to an interview she gave. She admits they she was offered alternatives and decided to ignore the request and go in anyway. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/woman ... d-officers
I agree about folks taking it up on themselves to enforce the establishments policy. But this was not anyone sticking their nose in, this was a direct request from the owner/selected designee of the private property and her refusal to comply.
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Oh, I get it- she was very wrong. I'm NOT defending her actions. I'm just saying if they really were that worried about heath and safety, they could have gotten her out much faster, and rid of her as a customer in one fell swoop... before the police even arrived.
My opinion- handled poorly all the way around. Any common sense shown from either side and we don't read about it or see a video.
My opinion- handled poorly all the way around. Any common sense shown from either side and we don't read about it or see a video.
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On the other hand, I went shopping in San Antonio today. Most of the big stores still had signs requiring masks, on some the signs claimed it was a local mandate (which is probably the same sign they have had up and just not changed). I was very pleasantly surprised when I went to one store, a local hobby shop I have been frequenting lately. They had a sign on the door saying that masks were optional. At the cash register was a sign that said that if you are afraid of an unmasked environment, please let them know and the employees will mask up, but masks are still optional for other customers. If this is not acceptable, they do have a sidewalk pickup option for your purchases.
That seemed an entirely reasonable policy to me.
That seemed an entirely reasonable policy to me.
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That would be a different sign. "Mask Required, unless you hurry up while here". If their concern is truly for the health and safety of employees or customers and they believe in "mask science", they will enforce a mask policy vigorously. HEB for instance has taken a different stance. They are masks recommended. They are attempting to appear politically correct to the maskers, while not running off the anti-maskers. Their policy means they don't truly buy into the "mask science"flechero wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:38 pm Oh, I get it- she was very wrong. I'm NOT defending her actions. I'm just saying if they really were that worried about heath and safety, they could have gotten her out much faster, and rid of her as a customer in one fell swoop... before the police even arrived.
My opinion- handled poorly all the way around. Any common sense shown from either side and we don't read about it or see a video.
Personally, I feel the employee at the bank handled it perfectly. There was literally nothing she could do other than call the cops or allow this lady to ignore the BOA policy. I have watched several video clips of folks getting into scuffles and even fights over being ask to comply with mask policies. One can't expect the employee to take on the risk that a person will react violently to being ask to leave. I have zero sympathy for a person who sees a mask required sign, attempts to ignore it and when ask to leave acts a fool. I feel masks are silly but I feel self entitled dolts who think they can do what they want on others property are even sillier.
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I have friends, a couple, who caught the virus in the middle of an 1,100 acre farm in the corn belt. No one around for miles except the farmer who was driving them around in his pickup - and was infected. For me, that confirms that the virus is transmitted in closed spaces with infected people. But this isn't my point.RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:45 am
1. The antibodies produced from the vaccine can be 10x the antibodies that exist in a convalescent patient.
2. The second dose of vaccine is intended to induce a greater T-cell response. This should (still being studied) give your immune system a longer "memory" should it encounter the virus again. Immunity from vaccination "should" last longer than immunity from having had COVID but no vaccination.
Again... Studies are ongoing.
Back on topic.... I have had 2 x Moderna and I'm still wearing a mask in indoor public spaces.
1. To protect myself from variants, since efficacy of the Moderna vax against the SA varient is less.
2. To protect others from the possibility of vaccinated people still being able to transmit the virus (unlikely LINK, but still being studied)
That same couple now has both of the Moderna shots. And they still wear masks. Whom are they protecting and from what? I've questioned the asymptomatic spread of Covid since the beginning. I do realize and a few hours can make a difference in whether there are symptoms presenting. I was fine a 9am and suddenly at noon, I have symptoms. Was I able to transmit the virus in that span? But where is the scientific evidence that some who had and recovered from Covid can spread it? Where is the scientific validation that someone who had and recovered from Covid AND had the two shot series against it has any chance at all of picking it up again and passing it on to someone else. At what point is this just plain ridiculous?
I look at things in a "big animal chart" way. We have 50 States, many of whom have handled things differently regarding masks and other restrictions. Some never did - and the apocalyptic predictions from our best experts about that conduct never came close to being accurate. One might attribute Florida's results to their better weather which allows for being outside more than somewhere like N.J. But the spikes came during the Summer when that difference in climate shouldn't have been as significant. The medical officials were laser focused on masks and most people who contract the disease are not treated for it. Why? The death numbers are significant - until you start unlayering them and realize that some were forced by shoving infected into vulnerable populations. A good friend's mother passed away recently in a nursing home. While her death certificate says "Covid" and she did have it, she was asymptomatic for the disease, was 90 years old and had been in failing health. Her case is not alone. Where are the studies which identify the characteristics of the individuals who had the most severe symptoms or who died from Covid versus those who had limited symptoms? It is as though there is no effort at all to mitigate or anticipate the symptoms. No other illness that i know about other than things like the common cold seems to be treated in such a cavalier manner. Yes, I believe that virus is serious and can be deadly. It should be taken seriously.
All that said, Asia seems prone to done masks in the population at the drop of the hat. Someone doesn't feel well and they wear one. It would seem to help until you look at the statistics for Covid in Japan. They never did what we did and their environment would seem to be an incubator for Covid. It would seem to be a great example to study versus our country. Where is that study effort? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847
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But the customer WAS ALLOWED inside and to ignore the policy, that's my point. Bank girl wasn't "wrong" in calling the police but she could have done better and solved multiple problems at one time.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:26 am
Personally, I feel the employee at the bank handled it perfectly. There was literally nothing she could do other than call the cops or allow this lady to ignore the BOA policy. I have watched several video clips of folks getting into scuffles and even fights over being ask to comply with mask policies. One can't expect the employee to take on the risk that a person will react violently to being ask to leave. I have zero sympathy for a person who sees a mask required sign, attempts to ignore it and when ask to leave acts a fool. I feel masks are silly but I feel self entitled dolts who think they can do what they want on others property are even sillier.
There are exceptions to every rule and as a BoA customer, I can personally attest to the fact that they break their own rules and change them pretty regularly depending on WHO is inside... if they were actually worried about health they could have gotten rid of her once and for all, FASTER than the route they chose. Clearly they were not in fear for their health since they all went on about their business with her inside, while waiting for the cops.
No new sign needed, just a typical BoA one off treatment could have fixed it, as 98% of people would have complied and left or masked up at the entrance.
Let me repeat that I'm NOT defending her actions and believe it was handled poorly by both sides. Either side could have prevented this.
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The customer actually was not allowed inside. She was met at the door by an employee who told her masks are required and offered her a mask. The customer said no, I don't need a mask and went past the employee. The customer herself admitted this during her interview. The employee was definitely not wrong to call the police. That is the only thing, other than taking action themselves, they can do when a Karen trespasses. I realize you are not saying the customer was right but you keep trying to say the employee did something wrong when she absolutely did not. It was not handled poorly by the Bank. No business should be required to accept trespassing. Not even once. If a business was to say, well just this once you don't have to have a mask, that makes masks optional. Which is actually what would indicate they don't care about the safety and well being but are simply virtue signaling. Enforcing the rule means they do believe it. Maskholes are few and far between but they think they have some special rights that supersede the rights of all others. Confronting these deranged individuals can be extremely dangerous. Karen was prepared for war. She planted her flag on the top of the hill and was determined to protect it. She stated as much in her interview and she proved this by arguing with the cop who also gave her the chance to put a mask on. The only way the bank could have prevented this would be to allow Karen to ignore the requirement to enter the property. Honestly, you are blaming the victim here for the criminals actions. So if someone robs you and you shoot them, you are at fault for not allowing them to take your money? Just this once?flechero wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:01 pmBut the customer WAS ALLOWED inside and to ignore the policy, that's my point. Bank girl wasn't "wrong" in calling the police but she could have done better and solved multiple problems at one time.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:26 am
Personally, I feel the employee at the bank handled it perfectly. There was literally nothing she could do other than call the cops or allow this lady to ignore the BOA policy. I have watched several video clips of folks getting into scuffles and even fights over being ask to comply with mask policies. One can't expect the employee to take on the risk that a person will react violently to being ask to leave. I have zero sympathy for a person who sees a mask required sign, attempts to ignore it and when ask to leave acts a fool. I feel masks are silly but I feel self entitled dolts who think they can do what they want on others property are even sillier.
There are exceptions to every rule and as a BoA customer, I can personally attest to the fact that they break their own rules and change them pretty regularly depending on WHO is inside... if they were actually worried about health they could have gotten rid of her once and for all, FASTER than the route they chose. Clearly they were not in fear for their health since they all went on about their business with her inside, while waiting for the cops.
No new sign needed, just a typical BoA one off treatment could have fixed it, as 98% of people would have complied and left or masked up at the entrance.
Let me repeat that I'm NOT defending her actions and believe it was handled poorly by both sides. Either side could have prevented this.
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03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:12 pm I realize you are not saying the customer was right but you keep trying to say the employee did something wrong
Not at all- I specifically said: Bank employee wasn't wrong the only delineation I made was that the employee could have done BETTER (IMO) for the business and it's other customers.
My position [looking at it from the standpoint of a former retail business manager] is that the best possible outcome would be: 1.no cops, 2. no scene, 3. customer out asap and 4. customer no longer a customer of the bank.
All 4 could have been accomplished by letting her withdraw the balance of the account right then. And that would have lessened exposure to a dozen people in the bank. I do agree they shouldn't have to put up with trespass but by "sticking to the rule" they allowed the trespass to continue on for much longer than necessary and the idiot customer still has to go back to close out another time. And I'm pretty sure she will wear a mask and cause another big scene.
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It's all good. I don't know about that lady wearing a mask. She was asked that question during her interview and she laughed. She said she hasn't worn a mask since the whole scam began and that nobody ever said a word to her. I don't expect anyone will be seeing her with a mask on. She still thinks she was right. Hahaha... She said she did wear a mask while in the hospital since there are sick people there. I got the impression she is a bit of a crusader on the mask issue. You should watch her interview. It is long but worth the watch.flechero wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:59 pm03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:12 pm I realize you are not saying the customer was right but you keep trying to say the employee did something wrong
Not at all- I specifically said: Bank employee wasn't wrong the only delineation I made was that the employee could have done BETTER (IMO) for the business and it's other customers.
My position [looking at it from the standpoint of a former retail business manager] is that the best possible outcome would be: 1.no cops, 2. no scene, 3. customer out asap and 4. customer no longer a customer of the bank.
All 4 could have been accomplished by letting her withdraw the balance of the account right then. And that would have lessened exposure to a dozen people in the bank. I do agree they shouldn't have to put up with trespass but by "sticking to the rule" they allowed the trespass to continue on for much longer than necessary and the idiot customer still has to go back to close out another time. And I'm pretty sure she will wear a mask and cause another big scene.
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Didn't I see something in the news about the mayor of San Antonio trying to implement a mask required ordinance? I may get inspired and try to look it up. Well that was quick. He did. https://covid19.sanantonio.gov/About-CO ... ons-Orderssrothstein wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:47 pm On the other hand, I went shopping in San Antonio today. Most of the big stores still had signs requiring masks, on some the signs claimed it was a local mandate (which is probably the same sign they have had up and just not changed). I was very pleasantly surprised when I went to one store, a local hobby shop I have been frequenting lately. They had a sign on the door saying that masks were optional. At the cash register was a sign that said that if you are afraid of an unmasked environment, please let them know and the employees will mask up, but masks are still optional for other customers. If this is not acceptable, they do have a sidewalk pickup option for your purchases.
That seemed an entirely reasonable policy to me.
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03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:08 pm
It's all good. I don't know about that lady wearing a mask. She was asked that question during her interview and she laughed. She said she hasn't worn a mask since the whole scam began and that nobody ever said a word to her. I don't expect anyone will be seeing her with a mask on. She still thinks she was right. Hahaha... She said she did wear a mask while in the hospital since there are sick people there. I got the impression she is a bit of a crusader on the mask issue. You should watch her interview. It is long but worth the watch.
She may be a nut case... I may go back and watch, just for curiosity's sake.
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Actually, their policy means that they don't want to risk upsetting a large percentage of their customer base by taking a hard line either way, and they don't want to police it.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:26 am HEB for instance has taken a different stance. They are masks recommended. They are attempting to appear politically correct to the maskers, while not running off the anti-maskers. Their policy means they don't truly buy into the "mask science"
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Exactly. Virtue signaling to save money. No real concern for safety. Which is in the context of the post it was mentioned in.cyphertext wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:54 pmActually, their policy means that they don't want to risk upsetting a large percentage of their customer base by taking a hard line either way, and they don't want to police it.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:26 am HEB for instance has taken a different stance. They are masks recommended. They are attempting to appear politically correct to the maskers, while not running off the anti-maskers. Their policy means they don't truly buy into the "mask science"
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The order I read said he was requiring masks where he could (like in travel centers) but that individual businesses must adopt their own policy. He strongly recommended they consider mask requirements but did not require it.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:26 pmDidn't I see something in the news about the mayor of San Antonio trying to implement a mask required ordinance? I may get inspired and try to look it up. Well that was quick. He did. https://covid19.sanantonio.gov/About-CO ... ons-Orderssrothstein wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:47 pm On the other hand, I went shopping in San Antonio today. Most of the big stores still had signs requiring masks, on some the signs claimed it was a local mandate (which is probably the same sign they have had up and just not changed). I was very pleasantly surprised when I went to one store, a local hobby shop I have been frequenting lately. They had a sign on the door saying that masks were optional. At the cash register was a sign that said that if you are afraid of an unmasked environment, please let them know and the employees will mask up, but masks are still optional for other customers. If this is not acceptable, they do have a sidewalk pickup option for your purchases.
That seemed an entirely reasonable policy to me.
Reading between the lines, I think he might try political pressure to get businesses to require masks, but he is careful not to cross the line. He doesn't have the guts that Adler did on Austin to tell Paxton "so sue me".
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