TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...

[bblhd672]

Signed by the Governor on 5/26, will go into effect 9/1/19

[chewy555]

I am guessing that batons will be legal as they are seen as clubs now. Anyone hear anything different?

[philip964]

AUSTIN — Texas lawmakers have passed legislation lifting the state ban on brass knuckles, kitty keychains and other self defense items.

The Texas Senate gave the bill its final OK on Wednesday morning; it now heads to Gov. Greg Abbott for his signature or veto.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-l ... botts-desk

ok..what is a kitty keychain?

Thank you for asking as I don’t know either.

So those collapsible battons would be legal to carry?

[LucasMcCain]

I would love to carry a collapsible baton in locations where I can't carry my gun. If I had to defend myself without a firearm, I would much rather do so with a baton than a knife.

[The Annoyed Man]

I would love to carry a collapsible baton in locations where I can't carry my gun. If I had to defend myself without a firearm, I would much rather do so with a baton than a knife.

Me some too!

[J.R.@A&M]

I would love to carry a collapsible baton in locations where I can't carry my gun. If I had to defend myself without a firearm, I would much rather do so with a baton than a knife.

Or pepper spray, for that matter.

[oljames3]

It is good to have options between a harsh look and bang.

[The Annoyed Man]

It is good to have options between a harsh look and bang.

My thought exactly. Pulling the trigger may be necessary, but things start getting really complicated immediately afterwards.

I would love to carry a collapsible baton in locations where I can't carry my gun. If I had to defend myself without a firearm, I would much rather do so with a baton than a knife.

Or pepper spray, for that matter.

As long as Texas is windy, I’ll pass.

[MP(Ret)95B]

I'm an ASP instructor (from my LEO days).
Would sure be nice to carry one like the executive bodyguards carry as a non-lethal weapon (even though it can be lethal in the wrong hands).
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[LucasMcCain]

I'm an ASP instructor (from my LEO days).
Would sure be nice to carry one like the executive bodyguards carry as a non-lethal weapon (even though it can be lethal in the wrong hands).
<MP>

Is the risk of lethality primarily from hitting someone in the head, or are there other areas that can be deadly?

[bblhd672]

Is the risk of lethality primarily from hitting someone in the head, or are there other areas that can be deadly?

Strikes to the head, neck, groin, various locations on the torso can all be deadly. In a recent licensed security guard class we were taught to strike with the baton to only upper/lower arms, upper/lower legs.

Remember, deadly force doesn't necessarily mean death, it also includes serious bodily harm. A strike to the groin is not only extremely painful, it can be considered using deadly force.

[crazy2medic]

Also a strike to the throat if you fracture the larynx it will swell closed and they will suffocate!

[LucasMcCain]

Good to know. Thanks guys.

[Jusme]

I'm an ASP instructor (from my LEO days).
Would sure be nice to carry one like the executive bodyguards carry as a non-lethal weapon (even though it can be lethal in the wrong hands).
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As a LEO, I took an ASP class, to become certified to carry it. I really liked it, for less than lethal use. We were taught common peroneal ( spelling may be incorrect) strikes, just above the knee, on the outer part of the leg, which, if done correctly, can cause both knees to buckle, putting someone on the ground for easier, control.
I carried mine cross draw. A flick of the wrist, and it was fully deployed, and in striking position. It eerily sounds like a shotgun being racked, which was often times, enough to stop whatever shenanigans we're happening.

[MP(Ret)95B]

I carried mine cross draw also. You are right about the sound of a baton being deployed. Do it right and it does cause people to stop and look...and listen to what you are telling them to do.
Might have to buy me a small one to carry as a non-lethal alternative to a firearm.
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