Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams
SoConfused wrote:You've got it backwards. Read what you bolded again. It is not leased BY the city during the fair. It's leased BY The State Fair of Texas. What you're thinking about would apply if, let's say, the city rented a Walmart parking lot for an event. In that case the land is leased BY the city. See the difference?
The city would still be prohibited from prohibiting licensees from carrying even if they are leasing from a private land owner. Remember, the law says if the property is owned or leased by a government entity.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant with the Walmart analogy. I was just soconfused about them still owning fair park even though they lease it out.
It's all good.
It will be interesting to see what their responses are to inquiries regarding the legality of their ability to prohibit OC. I don't think it is an otherwise prohibited place where they could claim that exemption for OC.
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Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams
That article talks about privatization of "Fair Park", not "The State Fair of Texas". It's a little deceptive because at the end it mentions "home of the state fair". The Stare Fair of Texas is a private non profit organization. To my knowledge, it's never been owned by a government entity.
The State Fair of Texas is a Texas nonprofit organization granted tax-exempt status by the Internal Revenue Service under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.
The Fair does not receive any government funding or support. Its nonprofit purpose is funded through the proceeds from the annual State Fair of Texas event.
We're still only talking about the management of Fair Park. Not actual ownership as SoConfused points out.
I remember hearing about this on the news a few days ago and wondering what little trick they would try to pull to try and exclude licensees from carrying in the park and or at The State Fair. Especially after that AG ruling about non-profits on city property.
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This is off the web site
Weapons and sharp metal objects, such as pocket knives, scissors and the like, are not allowed. The State of Texas does allow a person holding a valid concealed handgun license to enter into Fair Park with a concealed handgun. However, during the State Fair of Texas and some other special events, licenses will be examined at the entrance by an authorized security supervisor. In accordance with Texas laws that protect "premises where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place," handguns are never permitted inside the Cotton Bowl.
I could have sworn that i saw somewhere that the fair was going to welcome OC and thought i had scene a few pics of people doing it somewhere but i guess not since it opens in sept
Pawpaw wrote:Just because the law says they can't, doesn't mean they won't. It took some time to get them to allow concealed carry.
I wonder if that website would be enough to file a complaint with the AG?
They can legally prohibit both concealed and open carry if they put up the signs since it's a private organization.
It doesn't matter if it's a private organization or not because it's city property. The signs would be unenforceable. It also does not meet the criteria of an amusement park.
Unfortunately, it won't be city property. The State Fair of Texas leases the land every year, effectively making it private property for the duration of the fair.
This was all discussed to length about CC a few years ago and as was found out, as long as the property is owned by the city they cannot prohibit CC. I would suspect it to be the same with OC although I would not OC there. I think this should be turned over to the AG although time is running short to do so.
As for TT's original question, we are planning on going on a Thursday (senior citizens days) when fewer people are there. Set it up for then and we may could meet up.
Thursday's are really rough for me with work. Could we manage a Friday? I have a coupon to bring a friend for free so I could still get you in at the Thursday rate
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TexasTornado wrote:Thursday's are really rough for me with work. Could we manage a Friday? I have a coupon to bring a friend for free so I could still get you in at the Thursday rate
The problem I see with week days are many of us have kids. My daughter's school isn't providing a day off for the fair like when I was a kid, limiting me to weekends only.
I'm more interested in getting together with other DFW area forum members to socialize in a relaxed manner, share a meal, do some shooting, etc.
However, being in a group of LTC's who are concealed carrying would definitely make the State Fair a safer visit.
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TexasTornado wrote:Thursday's are really rough for me with work. Could we manage a Friday? I have a coupon to bring a friend for free so I could still get you in at the Thursday rate
The problem I see with week days are many of us have kids. My daughter's school isn't providing a day off for the fair like when I was a kid, limiting me to weekends only.
Would after school on a Friday be doable? The fair is better with the lights anyhow in my opinion. Maybe we could meet at Big Tex at 4pm and 6pm? To give a couple of time windows?
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