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[Abraham]

Breny414,

VMI77 explained it clearly.

Women aren't and never will be the physical equal of men. Yes, there are a few exceptions, very few...

Political correctness will not make females the physical equal of men, ever.

I know, you don't want to accept that, but truth is stronger than political correctness.

[Breny414]

Abraham,

All I can say is that events have overtaken your point of view. So embrace it, and support those that make the cut.

Cheers,
Breny414

[anygunanywhere]

Abraham,

All I can say is that events have overtaken your point of view. So embrace it, and support those that make the cut.

Cheers,
Breny414

And pray for the souls impacted by the continued progressive social experiments implemented in the military.

[VMI77]

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[VMI77]

Abraham,

All I can say is that events have overtaken your point of view. So embrace it, and support those that make the cut.

Cheers,
Breny414

Oh yes, the mantra of the left...if we don't line up behind the cultural Marxists we're on the wrong side of history. You keep saying things like make the cut...as if women will have to meet existing standards for combat. They already don't have to meet the same standards (women don't have to meet the same PFT standards as men among other things), but even if they did, as I've already pointed out going forward that isn't the way it is going to work.

Also, if at some point the left gets their way as they have in places like Australia, Canada, and the UK, and bans CC and various guns that are legal now....remember that events will have overtaken your point of view, so embrace it and support those who want to take your guns.

[Breny414]

Abraham,

All I can say is that events have overtaken your point of view. So embrace it, and support those that make the cut.

Cheers,
Breny414

Oh yes, the mantra of the left...if we don't line up behind the cultural Marxists we're on the wrong side of history. You keep saying things like make the cut...as if women will have to meet existing standards for combat. They already don't have to meet the same standards in non-combat roles, but even if they did, as I've already pointed out going forward that isn't the way it is going to work.

Also, if at some point the left gets their way like they have in places like Australia, Canada, and the UK, and bans CC and various guns that are legal now....remember that events will have overtaken your point of view, so embrace it and support those who want to take your guns.

This is an off topic issues that has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. it's about having the same opportunities for all folks if they can do the job. This same tired argument was used when the services were integrated... i.e, Morale will plummet, this will destroy our military, etc. I'm not buying it. And most republicans are on board.

Free your mind, don't road rage, etc. you will find your life that much more enjoyable.

[VMI77]

Abraham,

All I can say is that events have overtaken your point of view. So embrace it, and support those that make the cut.

Cheers,
Breny414

Oh yes, the mantra of the left...if we don't line up behind the cultural Marxists we're on the wrong side of history. You keep saying things like make the cut...as if women will have to meet existing standards for combat. They already don't have to meet the same standards in non-combat roles, but even if they did, as I've already pointed out going forward that isn't the way it is going to work.

Also, if at some point the left gets their way like they have in places like Australia, Canada, and the UK, and bans CC and various guns that are legal now....remember that events will have overtaken your point of view, so embrace it and support those who want to take your guns.

This is an off topic issues that has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. it's about having the same opportunities for all folks if they can do the job. This same tired argument was used when the services were integrated... i.e, Morale will plummet, this will destroy our military, etc. I'm not buying it. And most republicans are on board.

Free your mind, don't road rage, etc. you will find your life that much more enjoyable.

You're comparing apples and oranges and spouting leftist nonsense. Which aspect of reality are you denying? For instance, are you denying that there are different PFT standards for men and women in the military? It only takes a few seconds on the internet to demonstrate that women don't have to meet male PFT standards and that's just one example. You keep spouting the same "if they can do the job" falsehood over and over. The standards are not the same now and they're not going to get more rigorous in the future.

Both the tiresome leftist comparison to racial integration and the plummeting morale and destroy the military misdirection's are strawmen. I will concede that the racial integration comparison could seem logical to someone who truly believes there are no physical differences between men and women. However, having been in the military with women, working with women, actually knowing women, being married to a woman with sisters, and part of the reality based world, I find such a contention absurd on its face. I have provided numerous examples of such differences and your only response is to repeat the same PC slogans and snarky remarks.

I haven't said morale will "plummet" or that it will "destroy our military." I said and will reiterate: it will get people killed. It already has, as I pointed out previously. The consequences will be bad for the majority of women...who now stand to be drafted...however much it benefits the very small minority of women who have any desire to enter combat arms. Women who didn't sign up to be in combat are now eligible for reassignment into combat billets as it suits the needs of the military. It will be detrimental to readiness...pregnancy already has this impact in support units...and the Navy has experienced it prior to long deployments.

You seem to be very concerned about who is "onboard" and whether or not your opinion is in the majority. My opinions are not informed by who is onboard or not onboard on this or any other issue. I most especially couldn't care less that "most Republicans" are onboard even if it was true --which I doubt as any poll no doubt solicited support based on the assumption that women would meet the same standards as men...which they don't now and won't in the future. I highly doubt that the majority of any group except SJWs would be in support if they understood the reality as opposed to the propaganda about "doing the job" that you keep repeating.

When I read the comments from men who have actually endured combat I see the same skepticism that I'm expressing. Check out the weaponsman blog...he's ex SF and many of those commenting on his site are combat veterans. So, no, I don't care what Republicans think, or Democrats, or SJWs, politicians, or the N.O.W....I'm listening to the people who've done the job the same as I don't listen to people who've never owned or fired a gun on the subject of gun control and self-defense.

Your attitude of "events have overtaken your point of view so embrace and support" the cultural Marxists is both condescending and logically specious....as are your smug and condescending admonitions to "free your mind" and "don't road rage." The "free your mind" snark is just a variation of the liberal tripe about how open minded they are compared to us reactionary right wingers so I'm rather surprised to see it on a gun blog. It's liberal self-congratulation. Claiming to be "open minded" is usually nothing more than self-expressed moral superiority over those who disagree and are therefore not "open minded." The 2nd Amendment analogy is relevant because a large number of people reject it and want to ignore or repeal it. Should they gain sufficient political power to do so you will be someone called upon to free your mind and embrace the new paradigm.

[Breny414]

Abraham,

All I can say is that events have overtaken your point of view. So embrace it, and support those that make the cut.

Cheers,
Breny414

Oh yes, the mantra of the left...if we don't line up behind the cultural Marxists we're on the wrong side of history. You keep saying things like make the cut...as if women will have to meet existing standards for combat. They already don't have to meet the same standards in non-combat roles, but even if they did, as I've already pointed out going forward that isn't the way it is going to work.

Also, if at some point the left gets their way like they have in places like Australia, Canada, and the UK, and bans CC and various guns that are legal now....remember that events will have overtaken your point of view, so embrace it and support those who want to take your guns.

This is an off topic issues that has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. it's about having the same opportunities for all folks if they can do the job. This same tired argument was used when the services were integrated... i.e, Morale will plummet, this will destroy our military, etc. I'm not buying it. And most republicans are on board.

Free your mind, don't road rage, etc. you will find your life that much more enjoyable.

You're comparing apples and oranges and spouting leftist nonsense. Which aspect of reality are you denying? For instance, are you denying that there are different PFT standards for men and women in the military? It only takes a few seconds on the internet to demonstrate that women don't have to meet male PFT standards and that's just one example. You keep spouting the same "if they can do the job" falsehood over and over. The standards are not the same now and they're not going to get more rigorous in the future.

Both the tiresome leftist comparison to racial integration and the plummeting morale and destroy the military misdirection's are strawmen. I will concede that the racial integration comparison could seem logical to someone who truly believes there are no physical differences between men and women. However, having been in the military with women, working with women, actually knowing women, being married to a woman with sisters, and part of the reality based world, I find such a contention absurd on its face. I have provided numerous examples of such differences and your only response is to repeat the same PC slogans and snarky remarks.

I haven't said morale will "plummet" or that it will "destroy our military." I said and will reiterate: it will get people killed. It already has, as I pointed out previously. The consequences will be bad for the majority of women...who now stand to be drafted...however much it benefits the very small minority of women who have any desire to enter combat arms. Women who didn't sign up to be in combat are now eligible for reassignment into combat billets as it suits the needs of the military. It will be detrimental to readiness...pregnancy already has this impact in support units...and the Navy has experienced it prior to long deployments.

You seem to be very concerned about who is "onboard" and whether or not your opinion is in the majority. My opinions are not informed by who is onboard or not onboard on this or any other issue. I most especially couldn't care less that "most Republicans" are onboard even if it was true --which I doubt as any poll no doubt solicited support based on the assumption that women would meet the same standards as men...which they don't now and won't in the future. I highly doubt that the majority of any group except SJWs would be in support if they understood the reality as opposed to the propaganda about "doing the job" that you keep repeating.

When I read the comments from men who have actually endured combat I see the same skepticism that I'm expressing. Check out the weaponsman blog...he's ex SF and many of those commenting on his site are combat veterans. So, no, I don't care what Republicans think, or Democrats, or SJWs, politicians, or the N.O.W....I'm listening to the people who've done the job the same as I don't listen to people who've never owned or fired a gun on the subject of gun control and self-defense.

Your attitude of "events have overtaken your point of view so embrace and support" the cultural Marxists is both condescending and logically specious....as are your smug and condescending admonitions to "free your mind" and "don't road rage." The "free your mind" snark is just a variation of the liberal tripe about how open minded they are compared to us reactionary right wingers so I'm rather surprised to see it on a gun blog. It's liberal self-congratulation. Claiming to be "open minded" is usually nothing more than self-expressed moral superiority over those who disagree and are therefore not "open minded." The 2nd Amendment analogy is relevant because a large number of people reject it and want to ignore or repeal it. Should they gain sufficient political power to do so you will be someone called upon to free your mind and embrace the new paradigm.

I appreciate your sentiments, there was a time that I has similar sentiments. Just not any more. And , FWIW, I have been in combat. As this conversation has progressed, the qualifications or bar for who has the experience to comment on this topic keeps getting raised... Were you in the military; you had to have been in a combat arms unit or MOS; you have to have been in combat, etc, etc. So with all the sincerity I can muster (no smugness I assure you), just free your mind on the issue. Times are changing as it relates to the battle of the sexes, and doors will continue to open for women. I expect the 2nd Amendment will survive just fine as those doors are opened.

Obviously by joining this board I, too, support the 2nd Amendment. And I intend to get my CHL. But I didn't realize I'm a smug, condescending libtard because I have no qualms in opening up the combat arms units to women... if they can cut it. But the big issue you have with me is that I'm willing to express that conviction... on your forum.

As I said in one of my earlier posts, sexual dimorphism exists, and men are typically bigger and stronger than women. And I recall from my service, in the 80's and 90's that the PT standards were different for men and women, and probably still are today. The question is, can they do the job? if so, by all means then.

Other than that, I think we discussed this off-topic issue too much. Thanks for the conversation, I'm sure we will just have to respectfully disagree. But Hopefully my number of posts will be sufficient soon enough to move from junior member to member.

[Jago668]

Breny414 you keep saying if they can cut it. That is what people are telling you, that the level women will need to meet in order to "cut it" will be lower than men for the same job. That isn't cutting it, that is just putting women into the position to pander to people. That isn't equality of opportunity, that is equality of outcome.

[Breny414]

Jago668, I understand the point. I do believe there is an ample supply of women who can... just a belief. whether or not recruiters ("your recruiter lied to you, son" ) will make sure the individual is qualified is another matter.

FWIW, I wasn't in infantry and I didn't want anything to do with infantry. when I got my orders and they said 3rd Infantry Division I was pretty bummed because I didn't know any better. Wound up in an artillery battalion. And I have no doubt that women can do that... cut the powder, pull the lanyard, etc, etc.

[MeMelYup]

Jago668, I understand the point. I do believe there is an ample supply of women who can... just a belief. whether or not recruiters ("your recruiter lied to you, son" ) will make sure the individual is qualified is another matter.

FWIW, I wasn't in infantry and I didn't want anything to do with infantry. when I got my orders and they said 3rd Infantry Division I was pretty bummed because I didn't know any better. Wound up in an artillery battalion. And I have no doubt that women can do that... cut the powder, pull the lanyard, etc, etc.

That may be, but can they hump a 204 lb of HE round a hundred yards from battery 1 to battery 4 during a fire for effect? Been there and it is no fun. Especially with a center battery running low because they are firing the ranging rounds and need to borrow from other guns while the ammo people are getting another load of ammo.

[The Annoyed Man]

Breny414,

Are you prior military?

Those who offer their opinions without ever having been in, especially the war fighter MOS's, where the physical demands are severe, are offering up something they know nothing about.

But, yes, it's all the PC rage to equate women with men as physical equals.

Baloney!

I've never been in the military, and never had a warfighter's MOS, but it doesn't take a genius to understand and for the most part agree with what you say. My wife is actually in better physical shape than I am in; she's not overweight like I am; and yet, I can outperform her in nearly any physical test you care to mention......including just going for brisk walks in the local park.

Women are NOT the physical equals of men in many things, and thank God! In some things, they are superior to us men. I don't know a single man who could handle giving birth, even if he were physiologically able to do so; but thousands of women do it every day in this country. Each gender has its special giftings, and it serves nobody to deny it. But part of accepting that one's gender has certain gifts the other does not have, is also accepting that one's gender does not have some gifts that the other gender does not.

We are mammals, and with most mammalian species, the male is bigger, stronger, and faster than the female, because..... science.

[mojo84]

Jago668, I understand the point. I do believe there is an ample supply of women who can... just a belief. whether or not recruiters ("your recruiter lied to you, son" ) will make sure the individual is qualified is another matter.

FWIW, I wasn't in infantry and I didn't want anything to do with infantry. when I got my orders and they said 3rd Infantry Division I was pretty bummed because I didn't know any better. Wound up in an artillery battalion. And I have no doubt that women can do that... cut the powder, pull the lanyard, etc, etc.

Would you be in agreement with the standards for men being lowered to that of the women so there are only one set of standards for the two? This would apply in all divisions and units including special forces.

[Breny414]

Jago668, I understand the point. I do believe there is an ample supply of women who can... just a belief. whether or not recruiters ("your recruiter lied to you, son" ) will make sure the individual is qualified is another matter.

FWIW, I wasn't in infantry and I didn't want anything to do with infantry. when I got my orders and they said 3rd Infantry Division I was pretty bummed because I didn't know any better. Wound up in an artillery battalion. And I have no doubt that women can do that... cut the powder, pull the lanyard, etc, etc.

That may be, but can they hump a 204 lb of HE round a hundred yards from battery 1 to battery 4 during a fire for effect? Been there and it is no fun. Especially with a center battery running low because they are firing the ranging rounds and need to borrow from other guns while the ammo people are getting another load of ammo.

Sounds like an 8" round.

[Breny414]

Jago668, I understand the point. I do believe there is an ample supply of women who can... just a belief. whether or not recruiters ("your recruiter lied to you, son" ) will make sure the individual is qualified is another matter.

FWIW, I wasn't in infantry and I didn't want anything to do with infantry. when I got my orders and they said 3rd Infantry Division I was pretty bummed because I didn't know any better. Wound up in an artillery battalion. And I have no doubt that women can do that... cut the powder, pull the lanyard, etc, etc.

That may be, but can they hump a 204 lb of HE round a hundred yards from battery 1 to battery 4 during a fire for effect? Been there and it is no fun. Especially with a center battery running low because they are firing the ranging rounds and need to borrow from other guns while the ammo people are getting another load of ammo.

Sounds like an 8" round.

Not too many of the guys could do that either.